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    Default Restart Scenario

    Red restart after a score
    When red kicks he is clearly and obviously in front of the half way line

    Blue 9 catches the restart 12m from the half way line and races to the corner and scores

    Decision?

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    Default Re: Restart Scenario

    12.2 Kick-offs are taken on or behind the centre of the half-way line. Sanction: The non-kicking team has the option of the kick being retaken or a scrum.


    isn't this another "the ball hasn't actually entered play correctly yet" questions?

    option of kick retaken or a scrum at centre. No try.



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    hmm.. restarts not in that though...


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    Im letting the try stand.
    That'll teach red to try and take a sneaky gain in some distance at the restart!

    For me I will never pull that up the first time a kicker does that...and probably not the 2nd...the 3rd then yes. This falls firmly into the ask, tell, penalise.
    It happens in most kicks when th kicker takes and extra step or so...pulling those up just brings the spotlight on you for the most minor of transgressions. Dont make it about you and that you can apply laws to millimetre!
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    Try stands as I have played advantage NO greater advantage than a try for the non-offending side
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    I've been referreeing 4 of 5 years and I've only penalised this once, fairly early in my refereeing career. Definitely something that can usually be managed away with a word, then a very stern word, then a "you're going to do it again and you know what will happen"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebra1922 View Post
    I've been referreeing 4 of 5 years and I've only penalised this once, fairly early in my refereeing career. Definitely something that can usually be managed away with a word, then a very stern word, then a "you're going to do it again and you know what will happen"!
    so you'd play advantage and award the try?

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    Try stands.
    This is one of those things where you ignore it first time, but let the kicker know if he does it again you won’t ignore it again.

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    Default Re: Restart Scenario

    Depends how far in front of the line/center of the line he is.

    2m is taking the piss. A meter and below, I may flex and just have a quiet chat.

    Of course, you can usually address when you see him lining up and not wait for the kick.
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    Default Re: Restart Scenario

    Its the same as a chaser being in front of the kicker. As soon as the ball is kicked, whistle and options. I can't imagine calling advantage, watching the ball land circa 22 metre line, maul forms, etc etc then going back for the scrum.

    Edit: might be different if the ball went like a bullet to a catcher who then hared downfield. But all rather unlikely
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    Quote Originally Posted by menace View Post
    For me I will never pull that up the first time a kicker does that...and probably not the 2nd...the 3rd then yes. This falls firmly into the ask, tell, penalise.

    so is the "penalise" but straight to PK - or options o nscrum or re-kick as per law sanction?

    is there a danger of finessing yourself?

    Ask him to not steal ground (having allowed play to continue) , then he does it again.
    tell him not to steal ground (having allowed play to continue), then he does it again.

    If you go straight to PK (deliberate & repeat offending presumably) then youve ignored the normal sanction.
    If you go to the options sanction, he has effectively got away with it twice with no more a penalty now than had he been pulled up the first time.

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