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    Default Re: Conversion - Yes or No?

    I was running touch at a tournament years ago when my lad played. Me and other TJ (coach of other team) watched (our) PK or conversion sail between posts (albeit higher than height of posts). I said "yes" as per protocol. He said nothing but I had by this time put up my flag. Referee called us on. We were both adamant the kick was good/bad and held our respective positions. Referee ruled it missed "because we could not agree" which nearly had me suggest the opposite should equally apply.

    Anyway we trudged back to our respective lines him thinking "phew that was fortunate" and me thinking "cheating twat"
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    Default Re: Conversion - Yes or No?

    Never choose a touch judge
    Never default to no (why not yes)

    Just say, confidently "it was really close but I was watching carefully and I have to say I thought it was (whatever you thought)

    That's the ONLY thing that no one can disagree with in principle .

    They may disagree with your judgment .. but they will agree that it is correct for you to make a judgement .. that is the point of having you

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    Default Re: Conversion - Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blindpugh View Post
    .... So if confronted with this situation and you couldn't tell if it had gone over or not what would you have done?
    I think you would have to work on the assumption what would I have said if there were no TJs?

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    ... Just say, confidently "it was really close but I was watching carefully and I have to say I thought it was (whatever you thought). That's the ONLY thing that no one can disagree with in principle.
    Quite. And there's a way to speak to the TJ without alienating him and creating an enemy for life.

    I had something similar with a TJ when a PK was kicked to the corner. The TJ said it had been kicked through in-goal but I didn't. With my most diplomatic voice I just said "That was close, but from where I was standing it looked as if it was just this side of the flag". As long as you don't embarrass him, they'll probably be OK with your decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    I think you would have to work on the assumption what would I have said if there were no TJs?


    . .
    And let's face it, the answer is likely to be "If I hadn't got any TIs , I would have been paying more attention"


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    Default Re: Conversion - Yes or No?

    would it be completely out of order to invite the kicker to take it again?
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: Conversion - Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blindpugh View Post
    From his location referee cannot tell if conversion went over bar or not and consults with TJ's who stick by their decisions.

    After much consultation with coaches involved! Referee decides to disallow try and has decided to phone a friend to see if he is right or wrong as complaint has been received.
    I remember an old baseball umpire telling me that the more line ball a decision is, the more confidently you have to be seen to be making it.
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    If it is a question of the ball being above post height, I would be more likely to trust the TJ nearest the relevant post. He has a better view. (A good TJ would have moved to check more easily.)
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    Default Re: Conversion - Yes or No?

    U15's and the score is 14-14, draw sounds like a good result! Mines an OJ and lemonade please

    as a ref, (unless i have appointed AR's). If we have a one up one down situation, then i go with what I've seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    If it is a question of the ball being above post height, I would be more likely to trust the TJ nearest the relevant post. He has a better view. (A good TJ would have moved to check more easily.)
    With ARs possibly do that
    With TJ when this happens it is ALWAYS the TJ from the kicking team with his flag up, and the one from the other team with his flag down.

    My advice is to beam them up immediately..
    Pay no attention to where they were standing

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    With ARs possibly do that
    With TJ when this happens it is ALWAYS the TJ from the kicking team with his flag up, and the one from the other team with his flag down.

    My advice is to beam them up immediately..
    Pay no attention to where they were standing
    Overly cynical!
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    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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