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    Default Re: Maul to ruck

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    I was with you until this bit. Is this opinion based on your observation? I don't think I have ever seen a quality referee do this.
    It was a note I made some years ago. What do you see a quality ref do?
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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    Default Re: Maul to ruck

    Quote Originally Posted by ctrainor View Post
    Good debate guys.
    I believe I got it right.
    Red got the ball to the floor and the ball was clearly available to play.
    Before the scrum half exercised his options the ruck collapsed accidentally.
    The only thing I'd say with that approach -- I think the moment you decided it was a ruck, you should have loudly called 'ruck' so that black knew how to compete for the ball (they needed to go forward) otherwise the last thing you called was 'maul' (you said you called 'maul') and so then a scrum to red is then a rabbit out of a hat.

    similarly from the touchline, or from the backs it must have seemed like a clear mistake for them, so need some shouts or signals to explain
    Last edited by crossref; 15-01-19 at 23:01.

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    Default Re: Maul to ruck

    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    What do you see a quality ref do?
    once 'maul' is called, either it ends successfully or it's a turnover scrum. I've never seen a quality (ie elite) ref turn a maul into a ruck and give scrum to team going forward.
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    Default Re: Maul to ruck

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    once 'maul' is called, either it ends successfully or it's a turnover scrum. I've never seen a quality (ie elite) ref turn a maul into a ruck and give scrum to team going forward.
    I've heard this said before, but genuinely gents we see it in almost every game; usually several times. There may not be a scrum because the ball usually gets recycled from the ruck.

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    Default Re: Maul to ruck

    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    I've heard this said before, but genuinely gents we see it in almost every game; usually several times. There may not be a scrum because the ball usually gets recycled from the ruck.
    If the ball is recycled then, of course, the question of whether it was a ruck, or still a maul is moot

    The question becomes important only if the ball gets stuck

    I dont think it's right to wait until the ball is stuck, and only then reveal to the players what you judge it was
    Last edited by crossref; 16-01-19 at 10:01.

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