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    Default Re: After final whistle

    an important part of the skill of a referee is to see flashpoints coming, and take measures to defuse them.

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    Default Re: After final whistle

    Quote Originally Posted by Zebra1922 View Post
    i disagree with this, it’s effectively blaming a referee for the players’ lack of discipline. Players, teams and coaches need to take responsibility for their actions and not cop out by blaming ‘poor’ refereeing or game management.
    Oh, don't get me wrong, it's absolutely not the referees fault, I was just offering a thought to forsee the problem and try and maintain control when others may be losing theirs.

    I had a really good discussion with a fellow ref a few weeks ago, who in making one decision, ended up leading a payer down a particular behaviour route which resulted in the player being sent off. Sometimes, we have to be big enough to realise that our own actions can lead to particular escalations. Part of the skill of refereeing, is spotting it and trying to de-escalate things before they happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KML1 View Post
    Oh, don't get me wrong, it's absolutely not the referees fault, I was just offering a thought to forsee the problem and try and maintain control when others may be losing theirs.

    I had a really good discussion with a fellow ref a few weeks ago, who in making one decision, ended up leading a payer down a particular behaviour route which resulted in the player being sent off. Sometimes, we have to be big enough to realise that our own actions can lead to particular escalations. Part of the skill of refereeing, is spotting it and trying to de-escalate things before they happen.

    Hope that makes sense. Easy for me to type with 20 years of reffing experience under my belt!
    There is some logic in what you are saying but there obviously will be times when we have to 'make the call' even if we know that in doing so we will cause all hell to break loose!
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    Default Re: After final whistle

    You can and should fill out a red card report for any acts that warrant it while you are still in the playing enclosure. I am sure your (RFU) Society discipline officer would concur...why not ask them?

    I would also show the card, for the simple reason that everyone then knows what has happened, and the miscreant can't try to wriggle off on a technicality by saying a card was never shown. Do it by the book, noting the time and circumstances in your report.

    Once you have done that, its not your problem any more.

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    Fair enough, but I don't think that is doing it by the book.
    Indeed the opposite, the book says you can't show a card, but we might want to ignore the book, for the reasons you give

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    I've not been doing this long so not really sure on the ins and outs of disciplinary process, but the showing of the card is a very clear signal to the miscreant and any in the surrounding are that he's in bother, and there will be consequences. Not showing the card isn't as clear, so I would probably show it.

    In terms of outcome, not showing a card *may* affect due process I would guess, would showing a card when you shouldn't?

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    In theory I think the outcome to the player would not be affected.
    But you might introduce a distraction in the process while they determine whether you showed a card correctly or incorrectly. Or indeed failed to show one correctly or incorrectly.

    Is the sanction for a punch after the game different from the sanction for a punch during the game?

    My guess is yes, it would be different. But I am not sure

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    The showing of a card only became law at the lower levels recently. Previously it was required by law only at international games, though often used at many other games. After a game, I think the suggestion you tell the player you are reporting him for a RC offence is OK as it really does not matter to the crown/man and a dog what the sanction is as it has no bearing on subsequent play. No one should get off on the technicality of not being shown a red card!

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    Default Re: After final whistle

    There is no subsequent play , of course

    There are two questions

    1 which form do you use to make the report . This is easy, you ask your society on Sunday morning and they tell you

    2 in the moment should you show a card or not
    Last edited by crossref; 23-01-19 at 11:01.

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    Default Re: After final whistle

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    the book says you can't show a card,
    And that bit I cant agree with...there is no such wording in the LoTG.
    Tell em it's Law 23 and smile

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