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    Default Re: Law Change Proposal - Elminate accidental knock-ons

    At first glance I like the suggestion.

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    Default Re: Law Change Proposal - Elminate accidental knock-ons

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    It would be very odd for someone to knock on in the process of scoring, and be awarded a try
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    Default Re: Law Change Proposal - Elminate accidental knock-ons

    I like the idea, unfortunately I can’t see it ever being adopted.

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    Default Re: Law Change Proposal - Elminate accidental knock-ons

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    ... arguments ad absurdam - but at what point would rugby stop being rugby?
    I suspect Rugby stopped being Rugby once «*shamateurism*» crept into the sport. Definitely, professionalism and ideas like pros must improve win rates year on year, have led to this crash-ball/concussion situation where 115kg players start complaining they cannot manage to add two further kgs of muscle, despite hours of weight lifting and endlessly eating protein. Rugby has reached the limits of genetic engineering.

    For me one of the basic things in rugby was it was a sport for all sizes, with professionalism this is no longer the case. If we eliminate accidental KOs then the pros will quickly find a way to exploit the Law change, à la deliberate fumble, gather and break the gain line.
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    Default Re: Law Change Proposal - Elminate accidental knock-ons

    Just a thought, but how about play on provided the opposition got the ball.

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    Default Re: Law Change Proposal - Elminate accidental knock-ons

    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    Just a thought, but how about play on provided the opposition got the ball.
    well that's not a change, you play on today when that happens!

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    Default Re: Law Change Proposal - Elminate accidental knock-ons

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    well that's not a change, you play on today when that happens!
    Well, sort of. At the moment, it depends on the quality of the possession.

    If the opposition get the ball, but are under pressure straight away or don't make any headway, we go back for a scrum. I suppose, what I'm suggesting is that just getting possession is advantage enough - regardless of how much pressure they're under.

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    Default Re: Law Change Proposal - Elminate accidental knock-ons

    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    Well, sort of. At the moment, it depends on the quality of the possession.

    If the opposition get the ball, but are under pressure straight away or don't make any headway, we go back for a scrum. I suppose, what I'm suggesting is that just getting possession is advantage enough - regardless of how much pressure they're under.
    This is why zero tackle was introduced in RL. Player would knock on and opposition would decline to pick up the ball, preferring a scrum.
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    Default Re: Law Change Proposal - Elminate accidental knock-ons

    I think Didds highlighted one critical practical point - determining which k/o to ping and which not to could get tricky depending upon the criteria used.

    That to one side, I do have a philosophical issue with it. Rugby has always had some core beliefs. One of them was that there were particular ways that the ball could be propelled, and this proposed change flies in the face of that. What next, marginally forward passes because the opposition were nowhere near? It's the thin end of the wedge.

    Every so often, ideas come up. Solutions in search of a problem to fix. And I am reminded of Falkland's dictum "Where it is not necessary to change, it is necessary not to change."

    You tell me what problem this fixes, and I'll think about it. Until then, it's cosmetic tinkering and not worth the candle.
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    Default Re: Law Change Proposal - Elminate accidental knock-ons

    I can see an argument for ignoring accidental knock-ons while not attempting to play at the ball e.g. when the ball the ball is kicked into a player's forearm, but I object to a player's lack of skill being ignored, i.e. if a player playing at the ball, knocks the ball on, it should be an infringement.

    However, we this would add another subjective judgement to referees, who already have plenty of subjective judgements to make.
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