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    Default Re: Law Change Proposal - Elminate accidental knock-ons

    Check out Dan (of this parish)’s grubber kick page
    Then watch some attempts, the ball bounces in a not nearly so unpredictable way, as you might wish us to believe. First low along the ground, but as it loses momentum it tumbles on the flat ends and often «*stands up*» for the chasing winger to recover the ball at chest height. The ones where poor skill is employed are likely to be unpredictable, like the second row kicking left legged. A skilled scrum half, putting a well weighted kick in behind, not so much.

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    Default Re: Law Change Proposal - Elminate accidental knock-ons

    indeed, the beautiful thing about our game is that -- with skill -- the shape of the ball can be overcome, and the some of the unpredictability eliminated.

    We are so accustomed to the spin pass we take it for granted, but give a rugby ball to some novices who have never played before and you see it's actually difficult to throw it and catch it over any distance.

    grubber kicks -- yes, it's amazing how skilful the professionals are. You only have to get out there on a pitch with a ball and you find it's far more difficult than it looks

    What a great game we play.
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    Default Re: Law Change Proposal - Elminate accidental knock-ons

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I think we end up at the same result .. soccer balls are designed so as to make them as predictable as possible , in the air and on the ground . Rugby balls are designed to be unpredictable, especially when bouncing
    I see no basis at all for believing that the oval design was deliberately chosen to make the bounce unpredictable. Where do you get that idea from?

    It wasn't until 1892 that the size and shape of the ball featured in the laws. The shape was by then traditional, and in fact more oval than in the early days. It is likely that it was considered better for handling. I don't know that there was ever any discussion about making it spherical.

    See http://www.rugbyfootballhistory.com/ball.htm
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    Post hoc ergo propter hoc OB
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    Default Re: Law Change Proposal - Elminate accidental knock-ons

    Yes , I guess it's a chicken and egg ,isn't it ?
    Was the game designed to suit to ball ? Or was the ball designed to suit the game

    Whatever .. at the end of the day we have a game played with an unpredictable ball

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    Default Re: Law Change Proposal - Elminate accidental knock-ons

    Is a RL different size or shape than union ball?

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    Default Re: Law Change Proposal - Elminate accidental knock-ons

    Quote Originally Posted by Not Kurt Weaver View Post
    Is a RL different size or shape than union ball?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_ball

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    Default Re: Law Change Proposal - Elminate accidental knock-ons

    My 2p.

    The unpredictability is a side effect of the shape, not the reason for it.

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    Default Re: Law Change Proposal - Elminate accidental knock-ons

    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    Post hoc ergo propter hoc OB
    Yes indeed - the well known logical fallacy.

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Yes , I guess it's a chicken and egg ,isn't it ?
    Was the game designed to suit to ball ? Or was the ball designed to suit the game
    Nobody sat down and designed the game. It evolved until the RFU was set up to codify it so that everybody played to the same rules/laws. By that time the ball had become more oval than in the early days, and it was just accepted. As I pointed out earlier, the shape was not even addressed until 1892.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    As I pointed out earlier, the shape was not even addressed until 1892.
    indeed, and when they addressed it they made it oval and unpredictable.

    but as I said, chicken and egg. I am not arguing that it was solely the chicken. But at the same time it wasn't solely the egg.
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