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    Default Re: Referee Rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by Drift View Post
    Yeah it was, massive hole created after the Wales player took out a defender who wasn't bound in the ruck.
    Quote Originally Posted by DocY View Post
    Good call, I thought. Pretty clear obstruction for me.

    Maybe Picamoles(?) wouldn't have got there anyway, but if so why take the risk? And it was an intentional infringement, so would be treated as being material by default.
    Thanks both, that's very helpful. Interesting to see there was a very similar one blown in Sco v Ita which I watched delayed last night, it was also blown down immediately.

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    RugbyPass have had the same idea, and are ranking each of the 14 refs ----

    Here is the report on WB and LP

    https://www.rugbypass.com/search/ref%20report%20card

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    So after round 2

    Nigel Owens
    Has turned over a new leaf on his communications since the superman/shake hands game.
    No sarcasm. No wisecracks, no jokes at player expense . His communication was straightforward and warm and uniquely NO. Excellent .
    But a critical error with the PT ? Gave it too soon and then made it difficult for the TMO to reverse it. It wasn't a PT as Ashton had overrun it anywaay. PK and YC yes. Not a PT
    Down a notch

    Ronan Poite
    Didn't see the game. Twitter said he had a mare ?

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    He was a bit snappy with Owen Farrell, but apologized straight away.
    There was also an exchange with Jefferson Poirot during a long stoppage on 73 minutes when the French prop needed a change of boots.

    Owens looked down and noticed Poirot is sporting the rainbow laces.

    "I like your laces," said the Welshman.

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    Romain Poîte, in fairness was equally bad with both teams. It was only his 10th Six Nations match. The post match comments by the Scottish captain were out of order, and he should probaly be fined. Two years ago, France won in Paris, but their lock criticized Wayne Barnes, for the 21 minutes of overtime.
    French international Yoann Maestri has been slammed with a fine of 30,000 euros (£26,000) + legal costs, for his critical comment about referee Wayne Barnes following the controversial Six Nations clash against Wales.

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    for me - liking his laces is fine. It wasn't sarcastic, it wasn't mocking, it wasn't a joke at the player's expense. It was a genuine sentiment : he was acknowledging the gesture the player made (rainbow laces). Nothing wrong with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    RugbyPass have had the same idea, and are ranking each of the 14 refs ----

    Here is the report on WB and LP

    https://www.rugbypass.com/search/ref%20report%20card
    However, like Wayne Barnes in the France v Wales clash, he was unable to communicate with Italy in their own language. Indeed, while Barnes attempted a few French phrases, Pearce spoke entirely in English.

    That comment on Luke Pearce tells me that they have not thought through the problem. It is unrealistic to expect referees to have command of several languages, and it is also unrealistic to have referees specialising in one or two languages and therefore being on a restricted list of referees able to take the matches for those countries. To take an extreme case, what do you do when Japan play Georgia? (Last time it happened, Glen Jackson refereed them - in English).

    Even if you try to referee in two languages, one team will always get the information ahead of the other.

    The Italians are used to being refereed in English at International Level, and "the ball is out" is a phrase they will have heard many times.

    The only realistic approach to the language problem is for referees to use English during play, restricting themselves to a list of set phrases if one team does not speak English. Countries that do not speak English should start to get their players used to these phrases somewhere below international level. Referees from those counties will be expected to be able to use English if they reach international standard.
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    guesstimate rankings after round 2
    Refs in bold have had their game

    1 Wayne Barnes*(England) France v Wales *
    2 Jérôme Garcès*(France) Ireland v England *
    3 Nigel Owens*(Wales) England v France *

    4 Angus Gardner*(Australia) Wales v Ireland *
    5 Jaco Peyper*(South Africa) Wales v England *
    6 Ben O’Keeffe*(New Zealand)Ireland v France*
    8 Pascal Gauzere*(France) Scotland v Wales *
    7 Romain Poite*(France) Scotland v Ireland *
    9 Nic Berry*(Australia) France v Scotland and England v Italy
    10 Luke Pearce*(England) Scotland v Italy *
    11 Matthew Carley*(England) Italy v France*
    12 Mathieu Raynal*(France) Italy v Wales *
    13 Paul Williams*(New Zealand) England v Scotland
    14 Glen Jackson*(New Zealand) Italy v Ireland *

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    Jury out for me with Mr Barnes until I see the backfoot offside policed properly. Stifles so much play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    He was a bit snappy with Owen Farrell, but apologized straight away.
    I missed that... what happened?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    But a critical error with the PT ? Gave it too soon and then made it difficult for the TMO to reverse it. It wasn't a PT as Ashton had overrun it anywaay. PK and YC yes. Not a PT
    Agreed. I thought a PT straight away and don't know why he went to the TMO. But yes, after seeing it again Ashton had clearly overrun the ball. From what I heard it was still NO who made the call.

    I also thought Farrell's try was a balls up. I thought May clearly grabbed the French player on the ground and stopped him trying to get up.

    Romain Poite
    Didn't see the game. Twitter said he had a mare ?
    Well I'd forgotten who it was refereeing that game, so he can't have been too bad! Nicely unmemorable!

    I expect the twitter reaction comes from the pundits talking about the not-so-late tackle on Hogg (which, IMO, wasn't even a contentious call) and Laidlaw's comments after the game.

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