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    Default Quiz 10 (of 10) : A kick in time

    The final Quiz question .. hope it's been fun while it lasted .

    As always: give yourself the time you would take to make a decision on the pitch and give your answers below, just the letters will do .

    No Law spoilers. I'll come back later with the Laws and we can discuss.

    Here we go ...

    Time has expired when Green are awarded a PK.

    Green 10 lines up for an ambitious kick for the corner, about 60m away ...

    Scenario 1
    The kick bounces in the field of play and goes into touch without touching a player
    A Lineout Green
    B End of the half

    Scenario 2
    The kick goes directly into Touch in Goal
    F Options to Blue: Scrum or 22m DO
    G End of the half

    Scenario 3
    Green kicks . Blue #11 positions himself with one foot in touch and one foot in the field of play and catches the ball, which has not crossed the plane of touch
    P Lineout to Green
    Q End of the half

    Scenario 4
    The referee is distracted trying to silence the bleeps on his new Spintso and, while the ref is not looking Green 10 sneaks an extra 10m. When the referee finally presses the correct button and looks up, Green #10 quickly takes the kick (ie from in front of the mark) the kick goes directly into touch. It looks like he got away with it, until the the AR comes in on the comms to tell the referee what happened
    S Take the kick again
    T End of the half

    Scenario 5
    Green kicks, lightening strikes twice and the ball glances off the overhead spider cam (it happened again!) and continues on into touch
    X Lineout Green
    Y End of the half
    Last edited by crossref; 06-02-19 at 22:02.

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    Default Re: Quiz 10 (of 10) : A kick in time

    I'm going to say B, G, Q, S and Y. Almost all end of half, except for 4 which is Green's intentional misconduct.

    I'm not sure how I'd not notice Green 10 kicking 10m in front of the mark, though...

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    Default Re: Quiz 10 (of 10) : A kick in time

    Well make it 5m or something... Enough so that we don't get the answer 'its not material" ,

    In other words he sneaks a material distance

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    Default Re: Quiz 10 (of 10) : A kick in time

    I think all of those scenarios end the half.

    1 - Not direct to touch
    2 - No requirement to restart the game
    3 - Player with a foot in touch I don't think is misconduct it is just playing the laws as written. Either way ball not direct to touch
    4 - Incorrectly taken penalty (I know this has been debated but frankly I wouldn't be inclined to help out a player who was blatantly cheating)
    5 - Scrum therefore end of the game.

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    Default Re: Quiz 10 (of 10) : A kick in time

    A - ball still makes touch. Green entitled to LO. EDIT: ooh...not direct forgot that bit...so end half. B
    G - scrum over. End half
    P - ball is in touch. Blue put it there. But still made touch so LO..(Edit: I would deem this, probably incorrectly, still direct to touch so would play LO)
    S - tap off mark. Take it again. PK has not been taken. Half still alive.
    Y - pk taken. Scrum from unusual stoppage. End half.
    Last edited by menace; 07-02-19 at 11:02.
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    Default Re: Quiz 10 (of 10) : A kick in time

    1 b
    2 g
    3 q
    4 s
    5 y
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    Default Re: Quiz 10 (of 10) : A kick in time

    b
    g
    p
    t
    y

    The only debate is on (3) L PLayer with foot in touch. I think its fair to take that as a kick direct to touch. It didnt hit the ground.

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    Default Re: Quiz 10 (of 10) : A kick in time

    ... but it did touch an opposition player before it crossed the plane of touch.

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    Default Re: Quiz 10 (of 10) : A kick in time

    I'm going with:
    A
    G
    P
    S
    X
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    Default Re: Quiz 10 (of 10) : A kick in time

    So here's my answer.

    The key bit of Law here is, of course, 5.7.c

    5.7 A half ends when the ball becomes dead after time has expired unless:
    a) A scrum, lineout or restart kick following a try or touchdown, awarded before time expired, has not been completed and the ball has not returned to open play. This includes when the scrum, lineout or restart kick is taken incorrectly.
    b) The referee awards a free-kick or penalty.
    c A penalty is kicked directly to touch without the ball first being tapped and without the ball touching another player.


    So far, so good - but then we need a definition of directly. Here, alas, the Law Book is lacking as despite it being used in scores of places the book never properly defines directly.

    The closest we get is
    Directly caught: A ball caught without first touching anyone else or the ground.


    But I think we all agree what it means, so I am going to make an assertion (which of course is open to anyone to challenge if they like. Marc?)

    Definition
    DIRECTLY : without touching the ground or another player
    So armed with that, we can proceed

    Scenario 1 The kick bounces
    Answer - B End of half (the ball didn't go directly to touch, it bounced)

    Scenario 2 Touch in Goal
    Answer - G End of the half (going into TiG is different from going into Touch, so 5.7.c doesn't apply

    Scenario 3 Blue #11 catches with foot in touch

    This is certainly the toughest one, and I cannot say I feel sure what World Rugby would say, if asked this scenario.
    I think they would say that the ball didn't touch a player on the way to touch - the moment it touched Blue it was in touch.
    So P Lineout to Green

    But certainly I can see the other side of the argument : after all it did, indisputably touch another player.
    This one might be worth an email to laws@rfu.com -- anyone want to put their hand up to take that on?

    Scenario 4 PK taken from wrong place.

    Answer S Take the kick . A kick taken from the wrong place is a kick taken incorrectly, and the game didn't restart, so restart it. We have covered this

    Scenario 5 spider cam
    Y End of the half (ball is dead when it hit's the spider cam, it didn't reach touch)
    We have been through this one as well. Some you would give the lineout, I know

    So my careful answer
    B - G - P (I reckon) - S - Y


    That was the last quiz people - - I can't keep it up for ever.

    Hope everyone got something from the series, hope everyone learned something from the series. For me certainly both, genuine thanks to everyone who joined in.
    Last edited by crossref; 07-02-19 at 23:02.

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