Quiz 10 (of 10) : A kick in time

[collybs]

So far, so good - but then we need a definition of directly. Here, alas, the Law Book is lacking as despite it being used in scores of places the book never properly defines directly.

there is - under definitions

Kicked directly into touch: The ball is kicked into touch without first landing on the playing area or touching a player or the referee.

[Camquin]

In the old days a player catching the ball before it crossed that plane, but with one foot in touch meant the ball had gone directly into touch. Players used to do this to ensure no gain in ground.

Then the touch laws were changed and the catcher was deemmed to have taken the ball into touch, and they would give away both the gain in ground and the thow in. Several players were caught out in the first week.

Given that I would say it is not direct and the half ends.

[crossref]

In either case the moment it touches the player it is in touch

[crossref]

there is - under definitions

It never occurred to me to look it up under K

[Arabcheif]

I think that definition is for when a kick from open play or restart after a score goes into touch. If a PK was kicked into touch "indirectly" would you award the trow in the Line-out to the non kicking team? I'd suggest that the important factor here is that directly means without hitting another player or being tapped and kicked.

[crossref]

If a PK bounces into touch the kicking team retain the throw in to the lineout, but if time has expired the half is over, there is no line out

It's an inconsistency of approach in the Law

[Camquin]

We are discussing whether there is time for the line out - not who gets the throw.

Law 18.8.c is actually clear that the kicking team get the throw after penalty, even if the ball bounces or the opposition catch it while in touch. In fact apparently they get ithe throw even if the ball bounces off the referee.

Given the law has different cases for a kick direct to touch and a kick caught by an opponent in touch - I think it is clear only one permits the line out after time.

[Arabcheif]

Yeah I know that the kicking team would have the throw in the line out. My suggestion is I can't see anything on the WR website specifying that the ball is "in play" if it hits the ground prior to going out of play, therefore if it subsequently made dead from "open play" if it goes out.
I can see no mention of this specific example on the WR website.
Is there a law reference for that CR?

[Arabcheif]

I'm with Camquin - I would think the bounce is irrelevant.

I agree with the rest though lol.

[crossref]

I am not sure I understand the question , but isn't it 5.7.c above