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    Default Re: Scotland v Ireland Sexton failed HIA

    I agree, a neutral eye is called for. The IRFU’s awareness campaign for the grassroots game is top notch.
    The manner in which the National team’s coaching staff interpret these guidelines leaves alot to be desired.

    Interestingly, Leinster Rugby’s update on injuries, before this weekend’s match, make no mention of Sexton.
    Quote Originally Posted by Leinster Rugby
    Garry Ringrose picked up a slight hamstring injury in the Ireland v England game and will continue his recuperation this week with Leinster Rugby before reporting back to the IRFU medical team next week.
    Odd to mention a little niggle and ignore the elephant in the room. Scotland have announced Stuart Hogg could miss rest of Six Nations following the Ireland clash. Even before they have clarity on the nature of his shoulder injury.

    I am convinced the player JS is «*drawing a line in the sand*» on the disclosure of his medical data. Contracted until after the RWC in November @ €650,000 a year. He’s happy to take the superstar pay cheque, but isn’t comfortable with the accompanying media attention. He will be 34 later this year, doubt he will be extending his contract for very many more years.
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    Default Re: Scotland v Ireland Sexton failed HIA

    TBF - Medical data is personal. What of he had to retired as he found he had cancer or another serious condition. Privacy is privacy and should be respected regardless of how much people earn. Should they invite the public to their homes to watch them in their day to day lives? No, I think not. They're only a person after all. They don't ask for the celebrity, they're just good at rugby. It's the media that creates the "craze."

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    Arrow Re: Scotland v Ireland Sexton failed HIA

    I accept that he is only a man, and that his medical data is private. However he is also a role-model for a generation of underage rugby players, boys and girls. His stroppiness about only ever having had two concussions in his entire rugby career, is beside the point. While I can accept it to be true, since he is well placed to know, the guidelines say he will follow a strict return to play protocol following his removal from the field of play for a suspected concussion. It is entirely irrelevant whether it transpires that his GP/specialist, or whoever, subsequently says it wasn’t a concussion, at all. He has been, on numerous occasions, unconscious on the pitch and dazed/ confused following collisions.

    End of story, he and the IRFU must put player safety before their results based agenda. As a fan, I would rather Ireland crash out in the quarterfinals once again, than see JS have repercussions from these head injuries during his forthcoming retirement from the game. Bear in mind, this whole issue came because World Rugby medical chief Dr Barry O'Driscoll, uncle of Ireland legend Brian, quit his job, over the irresponsible attitude in Dublin to the whole head injury thing. We are in a situation where somebody will have to die before these idiots sit up and listen.

    Oh, hang on 3 players did die in France last year and yet these clowns won’t take the isssue seriously.
    Clermont’s club doctor, neurosurgeon Jean Chazal claims he was dismissed from the league’s medical advisory board last June because he was so outspoken about the risks.
    Medical Professionals are quitting, or being sacked from their role as advisors to the game, because sports people don’t want to accept the truth.
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    Default Re: Scotland v Ireland Sexton failed HIA

    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
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    ... the guidelines say he will follow a strict return to play protocol following his removal from the field of play for a suspected concussion. It is entirely irrelevant whether it transpires that his GP/specialist, or whoever, subsequently says it wasn’t a concussion, at all.
    The language used in relation to this issue is vague at best.
    Guidelines are just that....guidelines, nothing more.
    I'm not entirely sure you are correct in stating that a player must go through the RTP protocol if they are removed with a suspected concussion and that the subsequent opinion of a 'specialist ' is irrelevant.

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    Default Re: Scotland v Ireland Sexton failed HIA

    He wasnt just removed with suspected concussion, he also failed an HIA

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    Default Re: Scotland v Ireland Sexton failed HIA

    Sorry, I should have chosen my words with more care.
    Check the World Rugby Concussion guidance (pdf) for correct wording.
    On field management of concussion or suspected concussion at training or during a match
    Any player with concussion or suspected concussion should be immediately and permanently removed from training or play.


    Sexton, failed his HIA, as he has done previously. I find it inexplicable that he can return to match fitness without respecting the GRTP protocol.

    The Elite players caveat is as follows
    Advanced care is generally available within professional Rugby teams and allows for a more individualised management of concussion.
    Having “access to brain imaging facilities and neuroradiologists, etc” will not undo the fact he has bruised his brain.
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    Default Re: Scotland v Ireland Sexton failed HIA

    Positive news on the injury front

    "He’s fine," said Farrell, speaking to RTÉ Sport. "He trained fully today and he will be ready to go.

    "He’s had no symptoms at all and no complaints throughout the week. A session like that was pretty intense, it was a good hit-out and some contact within that as well, not too much, but enough and he would have been fine for this weekend."
    How wonderfully reassuring. Restores my faith in the Irish coaching staff.

    Not!


    Apart from 48 hours observation, it’s hard to see what concessions they made to err on the side of caution. Back to contact training a few days after the head injury. The article omits the fact he failed his HIA.
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    Unhappy Re: Scotland v Ireland Sexton failed HIA

    With Sexton retiring, in all likelihood at the end of the 2019/20 season. It would have made perfect sense for Ireland to omit Jonathan Sexton from the match day squad against Italy and given Joey Carbery some extra game time. With say, Ross Byrne or A.N. Other on the bench as replacement flyhalf. Well done to Wales for taking things seriously and being seen to do the right thing.

    The World Rugby Elite “loophole” in full, reads as follows:
    Advanced level of concussion care (page 12 of that linked WR guidance)

    World Rugby strongly recommends that all players seek the highest level of medical care available following concussion or suspected concussion. This highest level of concussion care is supplied in an advanced care setting and shall include at least all of the following:
    • medical doctors with training and experience in recognising and managing concussion and suspected concussion; and
    • access to brain imaging facilities and neuroradiologists; and
    • access to a multidisciplinary team of specialists including neurologists, neurosurgeons, neuropsychologists, neurocognitive testing, balance and vestibular rehabilitation therapists.

    An adult player with concussion or suspected concussion must have the minimum required one week rest referred to above unless that player accesses an advanced level of concussion care as verified by their Union and has received medical advice that the one week rest period is not required.

    Advanced care is generally available within professional Rugby teams and allows for a more individualised management of concussion.
    Even if advanced care is available:
    • an adult player who has been concussed must not return to play until they have been medically cleared to do so and has had a minimum 24 hour complete rest period and is symptom free;

    • an adult player who has suspected concussion must not return to play until they have been medically cleared to do so.

    I read it, as “Do as we say, not as we do.” So a player could be, as Sexton was in December 2017, returned to full contact training the Monday morning, following a serious head injury during the Saturday game. (For serious head injury, read failed his HIA.) They respected the minimum 24 hour complete rest period. How many more underage players have to die, before this lot are held accountable for the piss poor example they are showing? I hold that when one is a role model, then one has not only to do the right thing, but also be seen to always err on the side of caution. (As the Welsh Union are doing with Leigh Halfpenny) IRFU are doing the exact opposite, they are flouting the recommendations, that’s to say intentionally avoiding the behavior expected. Everyone expected Sexton to be a doubt for the Italy game, once he left the pitch after 20 minutes and failed his HIA. Full contact training for him next week, so completely irresponsible. Strategically it’s also piss poor, as Carbery is probaly the better flyhalf, just that he lacks experience and game time. It made perfect sense to leave Jonathan Sexton sit out the Italy game, but oh no, let’s be bloody minded. He will play, because we are a law unto ourselves.
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