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    Can I get a sanity check?

    Dying minutes of the game. Italy are piling on the pressure.

    Winger has ball in hand and is haring off to the goal line. Penaud comes in and slaps the ball; winger falls on the ball with his chest, in goal.

    Decision: knock on. Scrum France. My instinctive reaction was that the defender punched it loose - so, backwards - and that the subsequent grounding was legit. So try.

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    Default Re: Italy/France

    I only saw it in a busy pub, but my initial thought was that the original BC did not get "downward pressure" on the loose ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    Can I get a sanity check?

    Dying minutes of the game. Italy are piling on the pressure.

    Winger has ball in hand and is haring off to the goal line. Penaud comes in and slaps the ball; winger falls on the ball with his chest, in goal.

    Decision: knock on. Scrum France. My instinctive reaction was that the defender punched it loose - so, backwards - and that the subsequent grounding was legit. So try.

    What am I missing?
    he didn't fall on the ball with his chest

    https://youtu.be/DyVp23HibAI?t=238

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treadmore View Post
    he didn't fall on the ball with his chest

    https://youtu.be/DyVp23HibAI?t=238
    "From waist to neck" - I'd argue that the stomach was pressing down on the ball.
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    The ball had already hit the ground by then and was ruled lost forward

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    Default Re: Italy/France

    Nigel Owens recently clarified, if it's in hands then it has to stay in hand all the way to the ground or it's a KO. Dropping your body on the ball is only for a loose ball. It's happened a couple of times of late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_NL View Post
    Nigel Owens recently clarified, if it's in hands then it has to stay in hand all the way to the ground or it's a KO. Dropping your body on the ball is only for a loose ball. It's happened a couple of times of late.
    that's not quite what he said. if you lose the ball backwards it's play on.

    But if you are not holding it - merely touching it- and it is travelling forwards while you are touching it all the way to the ground, its not a try, he said, it's a knock on.
    Last edited by crossref; 17-03-19 at 20:03.

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    My argument is that it looked dislodged by the French player, and therefore not a knock on
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    My argument is that it looked dislodged by the French player, and therefore not a knock on
    this is a hazy area to referee (I think)

    If the tackler happens to make contact with the ball, and the ball is dislodged, then it is always a knock on (one way or the other)
    If the tackler aims for the ball and deliberately rips/knocks it, then it depends which way it goes -- forward from ball carrier, play on, forward from tackler, knock on by tackler.


    For that incident, I have only watched it a couple of times, but I would have given a try.
    Last edited by crossref; 17-03-19 at 20:03.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    My argument is that it looked dislodged by the French player, and therefore not a knock on
    it was but did contact the Italian afterwards, tough call for KO perhaps but seemed correct in slo-mo

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