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    Default Law 1 -- Offside from kick. What is the decision ?

    Red attack Blue. Red kick ball long, into blue's 22. Blue 15 runs back into the 22 and gathers the ball. He carries it to the 22 metre line and then kicks the ball. His forwards have not got back quite as quickly and are standing on their own 10 metre line. The kicked ball is caught by the red 10 on the centre-line and he runs forward. He runs into the blue forwards ( who remain on their 10 metre line throughout) and is tackled by them on blue's 10 metre line. Blue kicker had decided to stay on his 22 and admire his wonderful clearance kick ;-)

    What do you do ?
    (a) Play on
    (b) PK to red for offside. Where is mark ?
    (c) Options to red of scrum or PK. Where is mark for scrum if so ?
    (d) Something else

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    Default Re: Law 1 -- Offside from kick. What is the decision ?

    Without looking, going to assume 10m law doesn’t apply as exactly 10m back, so red have run 10m (> 5m) so put blue onside, play on ?

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    Default Re: Law 1 -- Offside from kick. What is the decision ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flish View Post
    Without looking, going to assume 10m law doesn’t apply as exactly 10m back, so red have run 10m (> 5m) so put blue onside, play on ?
    +1. Sounds good to me.

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    Default Re: Law 1 -- Offside from kick. What is the decision ?

    What they said ^^^^^

    If the Blue players on their own 10m line are not within 10m of where the ball will land they are offside, but do not need to retire, they just can't move forward towards the ball or interfere with play.

    So how does that player (who isn't within 10m) get put onside?

    He must move behind an onside teammate.
    Or an opponent carries the ball 5m, passes or kicks the ball (note these options don't apply if he is offside within 10m).

    So in your scenario as the others have said, it's play on. The Blue players were not within 10m of the landing place and did not move forward or interfere with play. The Red player runs forward 10m (so more than 5m) at which point we are back in open play.

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    Default Re: Law 1 -- Offside from kick. What is the decision ?

    I agree with all so far.
    I ask because I am getting increased feedback from players + coaches that suggests people believe that anyone simply in front of the kicker should be penalised immediately. If they don't move towards the catcher then play-on ( and assuming you give them a "Stop!" shout which should really help )

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    Default Re: Law 1 -- Offside from kick. What is the decision ?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrouchTPEngage View Post
    I agree with all so far.
    I ask because I am getting increased feedback from players + coaches that suggests people believe that anyone simply in front of the kicker should be penalised immediately. If they don't move towards the catcher then play-on ( and assuming you give them a "Stop!" shout which should really help )
    This is where the definitions in the 2017 and earlier law books were so good.
    I don't think the following explanation is in the 2019 Law book but it still applies.

    DEFINITIONS
    At the start of a game all players are onside. As the match progresses players may
    find themselves in an offside position. Such players are then liable to be penalised
    until they become onside again.
    In general play a player is offside if the player is in front of a team-mate who is
    carrying the ball, or in front of a team-mate who last played the ball.
    Offside means that a player is temporarily out of the game. Such players are liable
    to be penalised if they take part in the game.
    In general play, a player can be put onside either by an action of a team-mate or by
    an action of an opponent. However, the offside player cannot be put onside if the
    offside player interferes with play; or moves forward, towards the ball, or fails to
    move 10 metres away from the place where the ball lands.

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    Default Re: Law 1 -- Offside from kick. What is the decision ?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrouchTPEngage View Post
    ........ you give them a "Stop!" shout which should really help )
    It makes it a hell of a lot easier to do this if they have a number on their back!
    Refereed a game last Saturday where one team had no numbers and I think it makes life very difficult as a referee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    It makes it a hell of a lot easier to do this if they have a number on their back!
    Refereed a game last Saturday where one team had no numbers and I think it makes life very difficult as a referee.
    Or when you have two number 19 shirts on the field, that happened to me, thankfully neither had been carded at the point we realised!

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    Default Re: Law 1 -- Offside from kick. What is the decision ?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrouchTPEngage View Post
    Red attack Blue. Red kick ball long, into blue's 22. Blue 15 runs back into the 22 and gathers the ball. He carries it to the 22 metre line and then kicks the ball. His forwards have not got back quite as quickly and are standing on their own 10 metre line. The kicked ball is caught by the red 10 on the centre-line and he runs forward. He runs into the blue forwards ( who remain on their 10 metre line throughout) and is tackled by them on blue's 10 metre line. Blue kicker had decided to stay on his 22 and admire his wonderful clearance kick ;-)

    What do you do ?
    (a) Play on
    (b) PK to red for offside. Where is mark ?
    (c) Options to red of scrum or PK. Where is mark for scrum if so ?
    (d) Something else

    Thanks
    Although agree answer is play on....in real life this just wpuldnt happen! Forwards in front of kickers never stand still after a kick as they just turn and chase like a dog chasing a cheese burger (as do backs too!). So chances are 999 time out of 1000 you're going to actually apply c.
    Tell em it's Law 23 and smile

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