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    Default Re: Diving on the ball as leaving the ruck?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zebra1922 View Post
    Retreating players going for a kick that has gone over their heads will frequently go to ground and slide to collect the ball. Under the above we should be pressing for a law change to penalise that, or in fact any diving onto a ball in open play. This isn't how I'd like the game to change, I'd rather go the other way and remove this rather outdated and rarely applied law.
    A fair question and observation, but this happens for two primary reasons

    1. The urban myth that "He has to let him up, Sir!" - which we all know is utter BS.

    2. For tactical reasons to enable teammates to form a defensive posture and offer support. Remember the kick chasers have to play the ball. The defender on the ground is sliding or has the ball crooked in one arm and using the other to try and get to his feet. This slight delay can be all that is needed to set up a ruck and prevent the attacking team jackle the ball.
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    Default Re: Diving on the ball as leaving the ruck?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zebra1922 View Post
    This sounds reasonable but why then only apply it to a ruck? Retreating players going for a kick that has gone over their heads will frequently go to ground and slide to collect the ball. Under the above we should be pressing for a law change to penalise that, or in fact any diving onto a ball in open play. This isn't how I'd like the game to change, I'd rather go the other way and remove this rather outdated and rarely applied law.
    13.1 allows you to go to ground to get the ball
    13.3 says that if you are on the ground already you can't play a ball that happens to come your way.

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    Default Re: Diving on the ball as leaving the ruck?

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    thaough that is a result of the 1992 change of unsuccessful ruck outcomes... theer is nothing to gain by contestig a ruck situation unless you will definitely win it/force an error (CF "counter rucking"). So teams do not commit and wide field tremnch defense is standard. meaning there's no spacfe to play "open" rugby so off we go with pick and drives...

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    THe flopping onto the ball effectiovely seals it off, there is no contest. So, it is effectively a safetactic to keep possesion until:

    a: the options open to you improve

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    b: you have run down the clock to protect your lead.

    "counter rucking" that is just "coach speak" for "rucking" ie two (or more) players on their feet (if only) attempting to win the ball.




    If players in ruck were forced to stay on their feet we might just get a contest back. But we allow players to seal of or (or kill) the ball. THat brings the proble of the fan out.

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    Default Re: Diving on the ball as leaving the ruck?

    I think we are making this too complicated.

    When the scrum half goes to play the ball there are time when the ball is not stationary but instead the ball is 'coming out of the ruck'. Surely this is when you can't fall on the ball.

    When the ball has clearly squirted out of the ruck (and as long as you have come from an onside position) you can dive on the ball.

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