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    Default Re: 6N Scotland V Ireland

    7s tournament. Awarded a penalty near touch on the 25. Dug my heel in and placed the ball (this was pre kicking tees, piles of sand and other fannying around). Said nothing to the ref. Oppos retreated behind the post. Tapped the ball forward picked it up and scored the winning try in the corner. Legal? Place kick but not at goal, nor to touch.

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    Heard an urban myth years ago like this.
    Blue penalty. Ball at the mark, kicker walks towards the ball and says to the ref, if I opt to kick at goal, do I have to go like this, (moves his hands towards goal) or do you have to? Anyway I,m going for the quick tap...... and off he goes.
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    Default Re: 6N Scotland V Ireland

    I'm happy with the dummy kick to touch, as has been pointed out no law preventing an 'indication' you are going for touch then tapping.

    I would not allow the point at the posts and a whisper of "I'm not going for goal" as for me that crosses the line. I appreciate this is a judgement call (when is subterfuge legal or illegal) but from an opposition perspective, if you see a player indicate to the posts you will assume a kick to posts and line up accordingly. I'm all for defenders remaining switched in and taking responsibility for be aware, but for me this is too far.

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    Default Re: 6N Scotland V Ireland

    Quote Originally Posted by Arabcheif View Post
    But it's not involving the ref. As he can say loudly to the touch judges to stay where they are. Thus giving the defending team the chance to react to the tap/kick for touch.
    it is though --

    - if he pointed at the corner and then tapped, ran and scored, the defenders would all be furious with themselves for falling for this trick

    - if he points at the posts then taps, runs and scores the defenders - and everyone watching - will be furious with the ref, and no amount of explanation from you will change their minds


    better to say : LOL, but you're not quick tapping now, mate
    Last edited by crossref; 1 Week Ago at 22:02.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    it is though --

    - if he pointed at the corner and then tapped, ran and scored, the defenders would all be furious with themselves for falling for this trick

    - if he points at the posts then taps, runs and scores the defenders - and everyone watching - will be furious with the ref, and no amount of explanation from you will change their minds


    better to say : LOL, but you're not quick tapping now, mate
    apologies, I may be missing something, but the Penalty taking team has no responsibility to communicate the intention of going for this posts to the opposition. They do need to comms this to the Ref, who will then convey this to the TJ/ARs. At this point the it will have been indicated to the defending team (by the ref) that there is a kick for the posts.

    In the example for pointing at the posts saying "Not going for the posts, Sir/Ref" would be fine for me. If questioned, I'd just say a) he said he wasn't going for this posts and b) I didn't signal fro the TJs/ARs to position themselves for the kick at posts. Then finish it up by "you guys can do that too you know"

    Like I said, perhaps I'm missing something.

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    Default Re: 6N Scotland V Ireland

    Arab chief I get your logic, but I think if you tried that once, you wouldnt ever do it again
    Last edited by crossref; 6 Days Ago at 12:02.

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    Default Re: 6N Scotland V Ireland

    As I've said a few times before. I'm not a ref, but I've made a decision to go and do my Level 1 ref course. So my plan is to play on the Saturdays and ref the youths on Sundays. Also will ref in man's low level when I don't have a game myself. It might be something I include in PMB along with the rest of the other stuff.

    But I would make it clear to wait till I signal the intention that has been relayed to me (ei posts) and make it clear not to pay any attention to what the player in possession does.

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    Arabchief well done !

    Focus in the basics and let us know how you get on

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