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    Default Re: May in-goal hold back?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    Exactly what I was thinking.

    The French player was on the floor and I can't see any way he could have scrambled to the ball before Farrell, even if his left arm hadn't been hooked.
    Isn’t foul play, foul play regardless of materiality? The French player wasn’t allowed to make an attempt to get to the ball. He probably wouldn’t have made it but it is not up to May to decide.

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    Watch the video. They slid in-goal, the French player was on his knee and was just about to lunge forward. May hooked his arm and dragged him back down. If it was the opposite way around you'd have a PT and a YC. Of course it's material. He was denied (unfairly) the chance to play the ball (touch it down), for a 22 DO.

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    There's no doubt it happened - that's not in question. Hence my actual question - why do we think NO+TMO ignored it?

    they didn't see it?
    they saw it but considered it totally immaterial?
    or... ?

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    I hope that it's just a case that they were focusing on the who touched the ball to see if it was a knock on off white. I'd suggest that if they saw it and they didn't think it was material, then that's a very poor judgement call.

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    The French player is initially behind May and tries to get an arm across in front of him when going for the ball. That traps May's arm. Rugby incident.
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    The French player is initially behind May and tries to get an arm across in front of him when going for the ball. That traps May's arm. Rugby incident.
    Respectfully, are you watching the same incident. I would give you slide in with legs slightly closer to May. But is arm were no where near May until May grabbed one of them. The French player just dived for the ball and thats how he got in front of May. Never a hint of an arm from the french bloke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balones View Post
    Isn’t foul play, foul play regardless of materiality? The French player wasn’t allowed to make an attempt to get to the ball. He probably wouldn’t have made it but it is not up to May to decide.
    Yes, it's Foul Play, but there are different levels of Foul Play, ranging from technical offences up to the worst.

    I haven't read the "simplified" lawbook but I'm sure there was a section in the previous book that said an offence by the scoring side could effectively be ignored if the try would probably have been scored anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post

    I haven't read the "simplified" lawbook .
    Seriously ?

    You know that SINCE the rewrite there have been a number of regular Law changes ...

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    I think that May held the Frenchman illegally. Now, France clearly put the ball in goal before play was stopped.
    The offence took place in goal so where is the penalty, 5M out?
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    Default Re: May in-goal hold back?

    I think May clearly held the French player. To the original question I suggest it was not discussed by NO/TMO as it was not material. Without the contact from May there was no possibility of the defender reaching the ball prior to the try being scored.

    If this happened the other way round, defender holding back the attacker, same result (there is an offence, it is not material, defender touches down in goal).

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