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    Default Re: May in-goal hold back?

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    They go to ground to play the ball .. which is ok 13.1

    As opposed to being on the ground, and playing the ball when it comes near which is not ok 13.3
    (Ive since seen the footage)
    Yes I know....very much tongue in cheek.
    But they both did try to crawl after the ball after going to ground....as such lucky neither of them caught up to otherwise the debate may be different.
    Tell em it's Law 23 and smile

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balones View Post
    Your scenario outlines a situation away from the actual action. The May incident was directly involved in the action.
    He was. But given that the French player was on the floor and scrambling after a ball bouncing away from him, I still think the England player on his feet would probably have got to the ball first. I assume that's what NO and the TMO saw too.

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    I think we're missing the wood for the trees.

    The interesting point is why they didn't even discuss it.

    It's pretty obvious that it was at least questionable, whatever your thoughts on whether it should be penalised, and we've seen incidents in the past when the ref and TMO have taken a careful look at something before declaring it immaterial, so why didn't they do that here?

    I'd expect one or the other of them to state that they'd seen it at least, even if they went on to say they thought it immaterial.

    We've seen a lot of TMO incidents this Six Nations go back a long way to pick up an infringement, so it was particularly strange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Watching the video Youngs takes the tap before the PK is awarded, and when he taps it NO obliges by blowing the whistle for him..
    NO has shouted "Advantage" and is signalling for a PK.
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    NO has shouted "Advantage" and is signalling for a PK.
    I agree , but BY takes the PK before the whistle goes
    And when NO sees him taking it, he helpfully blows the whistle

    The sequence should be
    Advantage
    Whistle (no advantage gained)
    Tap

    Not
    Advantage
    Tap
    Whistle (let him go)
    Last edited by crossref; 12-02-19 at 14:02.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I agree , but BY takes the PK before the whistle goes
    And when NO sees him taking it, he helpfully blows the whistle

    The sequence should be
    Advantage
    Whistle (no advantage gained)
    Tap

    Not
    Advantage
    Tap
    Whistle (let him go)
    If the referee shouts "Advantage" you do not wait to him to blow the whistle because that usually means the advantage is cancelled. Youngs did not really need to tap the ball because he was not actually taking a penalty (but it was perfectly legitimate), and NO probably should not have blown the whistle unless he had decided there was no advantage gained. I think both instinctive actions effectively cancelled each other out and did not in practice disadvantage France.
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    But was it "material"?

    Imagine a 5m scrum. The attacking SH runs blindside with the ball and the attacking openside Flanker barges the opposing openside Flanker. Yes, technically there has been an infringement (playing the man with the ball / obstruction etc - take your pick) but did it really prevent a probable try? No, because there wasn't a chance in hell the openside Flanker could have done anything about it. I'm pretty sure the lawbook says that's OK.
    Have you a supporting law for that?

    In my book, "foul play" is always material. I am prepared to change my stance on that if you can support your view in law.

    Did Nigel see the incident? I doubt it in rel time and from his angle. The TMO would have seen it as wouldd Nigel on the stadium screen. I can only assume that both took OB's, reasonable, position that the was two players getting tangled "nothing to see here, move along".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Kurt Weaver View Post
    deep down inside, everyone despises the French, I don't know why, even the French don't really like the French, NOone really likes to admit it, it just is
    I always thought it was the Yanks no one likes. The French bring so much to the party Wine food style etc I like them. One of the reasons I cringe watching the french of recent (non) vintage. It is so sad to see their colapse as a rugby nation on the international stage.

    As an aside, what is lso worrying is just how poor Wales' display was a week ago. Now that the England side has put some perspective on it.

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    Default Re: May in-goal hold back?

    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    NO probably should not have blown the whistle unless he had decided there was no advantage gained. I well



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    Well, definitely he shouldn't..

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    Default Re: May in-goal hold back?

    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    If the referee shouts "Advantage" you do not wait to him to blow the whistle because that usually means the advantage is cancelled. Youngs did not really need to tap the ball because he was not actually taking a penalty (but it was perfectly legitimate), and NO probably should not have blown the whistle unless he had decided there was no advantage gained. I think both instinctive actions effectively cancelled each other out and did not in practice disadvantage France.
    Let me get this straight. You're seriously suggesting that NO blowing the whistle after the tap was a play-on situation?
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