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    Default Re: May in-goal hold back?

    I think the origin of this is the - useful - rule of thumb that in age grade rugby you shouldn't play advantage after an act of dangerous play .

    Also good advice at adult levels .. but at adult levels there is more flexibility as circumstances direct

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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    I believe the original claim was that foul play should always be penalised? If so, what about the Advantage law?


    But in this case the "non-offending" team didn't have an advantage. I believe the foul play to be punished would mean issuing either stern words/YC/RC to the offending player once play goes dead after advantage or no advantage - brought back for penalty. So play the advantage and then deal with the foul play.

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    One thing is certain. We won’t know if he could have got to the ball because he was held back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Watching the video Youngs takes the tap before the PK is awarded, and when he taps it NO obliges by blowing the whistle for him..
    I disagree, the timing is perfect. At 2:41 in video NO hand in air, whistle at mouth, ball yet to be tapped. I tried to screen shot this, but it turns out I don't have the technical acumen to make that happen.

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    TBF this is one of the only aspects of this I don't have an issue with. Pen awarded an tap taken quickly in front of the ref (as close to the mark as poss, as the players were still down). Tap is good, run is good, pass is good. May, I felt was marginally in front of the kicker. Then there was the pull back leading to the try.

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    Where in the Law of the Game does it discuss Material Effect? Is this just something referees get from training documents and society meetings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thepercy View Post
    I disagree, the timing is perfect. At 2:41 in video NO hand in air, whistle at mouth, ball yet to be tapped. I tried to screen shot this, but it turns out I don't have the technical acumen to make that happen.
    He may have had the whistle in his mouth , but he hadnt exhaled
    Last edited by crossref; 13-02-19 at 19:02.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thepercy View Post
    Where in the Law of the Game does it discuss Material Effect? Is this just something referees get from training documents and society meetings?
    it's not in the Laws, but it is embedded in official places - eg
    https://officiating.worldrugby.org/i...47&language=en

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    Quote Originally Posted by thepercy View Post
    Where in the Law of the Game does it discuss Material Effect? Is this just something referees get from training documents and society meetings?
    If every Ref penalised every single offence they saw (regardless of whether it was serious, immaterial etc) the game would be reduced to just endless penalty kicks. Where's the fun in that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balones View Post
    One thing is certain. We won’t know if he could have got to the ball because he was held back.
    Go back a few frames from the shot of May's arm entangled with Dupont's. You will find that Dupont puts his arm across in front of May first. They are both trying to reach for the ball but it has rolled away too far, so they need to regain their feet. They both try to do this using their arms, hence the entanglement. I see no sign that May prevented Dupont from reaching the ball.

    They were never going to get to the ball before Farrell anyway, so I don't think it was of interest to the officials.
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
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