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    Default Re: What do you give?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    I have hears top referees say "you shouldn't have been on that side in the first place, if you are you take your chances".
    You've heard me ref

    But they still allow players to hold them in there
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    Default Re: What do you give?

    I see it at my level 7 and 8 with some players who "know what they are doing".
    I usually manage it by saying he can't get away, you've trapped him in, scrum attack.
    As others have said they are slowing their own ball down by trying to buy a penalty.
    I'm not buying it, they soon stop it!
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    Default Re: What do you give?

    To counter the speed of not rolling away. I've mentioned this (on the forum) during the Autumn tests and I've noticed it accurring during the 6 Nations. BC carriers ball into tackler, tackler quickly releases and rolls away. Tackled play just gets up.... No ball release, just gets up as if he's not held.

    What if the tackler just wants to be sure the tackle has completed??

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    Default Re: What do you give?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    I have hears top referees say "you shouldn't have been on that side in the first place, if you are you take your chances".
    It's a bit of a cop out though. It is not allways the case that the player can avoid landing there. As referees we should referee facts and not desired outcomes.

    Today scotland repeted ly drove up the side of rucks and fell on the wrong side and got away with slowing ball down. It was blatent and a blight on the game.

    If referees at the top can't see it then they are not going to be able to say the the tackler gid nor get there by intent,

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    Default Re: What do you give?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arabcheif View Post
    To counter the speed of not rolling away. I've mentioned this (on the forum) during the Autumn tests and I've noticed it accurring during the 6 Nations. BC carriers ball into tackler, tackler quickly releases and rolls away. Tackled play just gets up.... No ball release, just gets up as if he's not held.

    What if the tackler just wants to be sure the tackle has completed??
    I think in many cases this is being poorly refereed, if the tackler is still in contact with the tackled player when this player makes contact with the ground (brought to ground) in my book they must release the ball. Interestingly a penalty was given for this in the Italy - Ireland game today (or it might have been but for an earlier advantage).

    The tackler must release first, so you just have to referee this to the laws. We can't allow tacklers to keep hold of tackled players 'just in case' if they also prevent quick ball, but we must also be strong on tackled players who ignore part 2 and do not themselves release the ball.

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    Default Re: What do you give?

    I have noticed that increasingly, this sorry of tackle (quick release and up by tackler) is followed by the BC releasing the ball to the ground and getting up and then reclaiming it. I'm not saying it always happens this way!

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    Default Re: What do you give?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zebra1922 View Post
    The tackler must release first
    The law merely says that both must act immediately. In midfield it makes rugby sense for referees to require the tackler to act first, but within reach of the goal line it doesn't.
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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