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    Default What do you give?

    I've noticed this a lot in recent weeks, not sure why it's becoming more common?

    Ball carrier is tackled, tackler and ball carrier on the floor. Now either the ball carrier or the first arriving support player (ball carriers side) holds the tackler in?

    Now of course i know they're trying to win a pen for the tackler not rolling away, but what do you give in this situation?

    I've had 3 instances in my last 2 games, so be interested to see how others deal with this.....
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    Default Re: What do you give?

    For me its cynical play and id start by trying to manage it, failing that id penalise them for it.

    For the ball carrier

    7.a not making the ball available
    7.b not moving away
    7.c preventing the opposition from playing the ball

    Arriving player

    8.d tackling the an opponent on the ground

    If it was a smart play or ingenious I might let it go . But this is negative and cynical.

    First time scrum to attacking team for an unplayable ball with a stern talking to, second time its a pen against them.
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    If I see it I call it, loud, so far after a couple of gesticulations about not getting the pen, and a quick word with the captain it's dried up. Suspect that's luck more than my management technique though.

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    Default Re: What do you give?

    I wouldn't give anything.
    Manage it.

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    Default Re: What do you give?

    As long as you say they play on and it's not building up to a flashpoint, they're only spoiling their own fast ball.

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    Default Re: What do you give?

    I think this is very dependent on how the tackler ends on the wrong side and how quickly they try to extricate themselves from the position. If they are being clearly held in by the BC or arriving players, play on (and I will communicate this to all and tell the tackler he is OK to stay, by moving he could the inadvertently interfere).

    Frequently they may be held in but only as a function of them deliberately putting themselves on the wrong side and waiting a fraction too long before trying to roll away. In those instances I view this as the tackler slowing the ball so even if they are now being held in, they have already committed the fist offence by not rolling away in the first instance.

    Very common occurrence in games and like everything you just have to manage it. After lots of feedback from ref coaches I'm finally listening, the key is being at the tackle area quickly and approaching from the right angle so you see all of this it happens.

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    Interesting

    From the 3 instances I've identified in last couple of matches. In all cases I've blown quickly and given an attacking scrum. I will not allow them to "buy a penalty" and tell them so. I don't want other players taking the law into their own hands

    In the first game it happened once and it was by an experienced player (ex Army 1st XV), he just smiled and after the game said i was the first ref that didn't give a pen.

    Second game it happened twice, once by each team. At a break in play i called the captains in and told them to tell their players to stop it as next time i would pen the player doing the holding.

    I see this week in week out on TV and every time the refs give pens for not rolling away when it's clear that players are being held in there?
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    Default Re: What do you give?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBFG View Post
    I see this week in week out on TV and every time the refs give pens for not rolling away when it's clear that players are being held in there?
    There is an argument to say the tackler shouldn't be there in the first place at that level, as the speed of play means just being on the wrong side slows the ball down, even if they get out of there as fast as they can.

    Do you think at TV level they end up on the wrong side by accident?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    There is an argument to say the tackler shouldn't be there in the first place at that level, as the speed of play means just being on the wrong side slows the ball down, even if they get out of there as fast as they can.

    Do you think at TV level they end up on the wrong side by accident?
    Sometimes, but when you see players blatantly holding them in isn't very difficult to tell. Maybe at our level they're just shit at stopping them from rolling away?
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    Default Re: What do you give?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBFG View Post
    Sometimes, but when you see players blatantly holding them in isn't very difficult to tell. Maybe at our level they're just shit at stopping them from rolling away?
    I have hears top referees say "you shouldn't have been on that side in the first place, if you are you take your chances".

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