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    Quote Originally Posted by ShyLockNo5 View Post
    Ladies and Gentlemen,

    I have been reading lately about how dangerous the game is becoming. One of the best suggestions I have read is that we should go back to the old ways, when players could be substituted only if they are injured. This would eliminate players being brought on just to make an impact,
    Reasoinable.

    BUt I suggest you go away and read up on the SA v NZ series circa 1998 or so (? not sure of the year).

    basically both sides had an alarming number of injuries as the second halves of each test went on, and the team doctors (IRB doctor?) Okd them all as injuroies ... presumably because said doctor was under orders to allow every injury as such, or felt he couldn;t dare say "its not an injury" in case it really was. Howsoever it happened it was de facto substitutions by the back door.

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    Default Making the game safer

    Ladies and Gentlemen,

    I have been reading lately about how dangerous the game is becoming. One of the best suggestions I have read is that we should go back to the old ways, when players could be substituted only if they are injured. This would eliminate players being brought on just to make an impact, thereby increasing the risk on those who have already played 60 minutes and would be now tired and possibly weakened. It would also mean that players had to be fit to last 80 minutes, and would no longer be monsters bred for purpose, the purpose being to smash others into submission. If you had to run around for 80 minutes you were unlikely to weigh 130kg.
    What do referees think of this idea? Would it have the desired impact?
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    Default Re: Making the game safer

    Rose coloured glasses can hide the truth. We had "tame" doctors who were prepared to call a snapped shoelace as a reason that a player had to come off. Especially if there was an important game coming up.

    Also I'm not sure we can put the genie back in the bottle.

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    Default Re: Making the game safer

    I've heard a few people mention this recently.

    The best argument I've heard - safety-wise - is that it'll mean that if players have to play for 80 minutes, size becomes a problem. Ergo players will shrink, collisions will soften and there'll be fewer injuries.

    Not sure if I completely buy it.

    But as others have suggested, while you have team doctors there'll be a conflict of interest at worst, or at best an "erring on the side of caution" if you're sent on to have a look at a player.

    And this isn't a hypothetical - we (may have) seen it in a Six Nations game a couple of years ago!

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    Default Re: Making the game safer

    Injuries also occur more when players are exhausted, motor skills are compromised, muscles weakened...

    Interesting related article, from a voice with some authority:
    https://www.rugbypass.com/news/one-o...radical-change

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    Rose coloured glasses can hide the truth. We had "tame" doctors who were prepared to call a snapped shoelace as a reason that a player had to come off. Especially if there was an important game coming up.

    Also I'm not sure we can put the genie back in the bottle.
    Well, they probably have to ensure the doctors are not aligned to clubs but are neutrals.
    And it's not a rose-coloured lenses thing. It's purely a safety issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocY View Post
    I've heard a few people mention this recently.

    The best argument I've heard - safety-wise - is that it'll mean that if players have to play for 80 minutes, size becomes a problem. Ergo players will shrink, collisions will soften and there'll be fewer injuries.

    Not sure if I completely buy it.

    But as others have suggested, while you have team doctors there'll be a conflict of interest at worst, or at best an "erring on the side of caution" if you're sent on to have a look at a player.

    And this isn't a hypothetical - we (may have) seen it in a Six Nations game a couple of years ago!
    I think there is merit in it. Big heavy players become specialists finishers only. Soon they'll be like American footballers that can play in bursts only.

    I think players weighing 130kg may still be able to play 80 minutes, but I don't think they will be as damaging in the final quarter as they may be in the first half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_NL View Post
    Injuries also occur more when players are exhausted, motor skills are compromised, muscles weakened...

    Interesting related article, from a voice with some authority:
    https://www.rugbypass.com/news/one-o...radical-change
    Yes, saw that too. I read similar sentiments from various figures in the book The Jersey by Peter Bills.

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    Default Re: Making the game safer

    I think reducing the sze of the bench might be a good idea.
    Going to 5 on the bench with 10 interchanges - as used in English National 1 and 2
    This not only means more players have to aim for playing eightly minutes rather than playing for 40 at higher intensity, it also simplfies the law book as it removes replacements, substitutions, blood injuries, HIA, front rows coming back on to maintain contested scrums etc.

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    Default Re: Making the game safer

    Reduce the number of substitutes to say 4. Teams can then choose to use them tactically or in case of injury. If you’ve used all 4 and a player is injured I’m afraid tough luck. Never understood why we went up to 7 in the first place.

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