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    Default Is it uncontested

    Real life scenario from two weeks ago

    We are in the last ten minutes of a tense game Red are winning by three points.

    Red have previously made a number of interchanges already, including front row, but we are still contested .

    Blue are mounting a sustained attack in Reds 22

    I YC a Red prop taking them down the 13 players (I told you this was a tense game)

    Blue say to me : if we choose a scrum will it be contested or uncontested ?
    I ask the Red captain are scrums contested or uncontested. He says he doesn't know off top of his head and would have to check who is on the bench and who was injured and who is fit (which is not unreasonable) but I also get the sense that he would rather not answer if he doesn't have to

    What would you do ?

    Force blue to take the decision blind

    Or time off , Red captain please talk to coach and tell me the situation

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    Default Re: Is it uncontested

    Time off

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    Default Re: Is it uncontested

    IMO Red doesn't have to declare their ability or otherwise to stay contested until a scrum is indicated by the referee. Decison blind for mine.
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    Default Re: Is it uncontested

    I saw a TV game where this situation (well the basics happened) Red called for a scrum from a PK and a Blue prop was on the floor. Ref calls: "Time off" After a few miutes the prop was helped off.

    On comes the replacement and As the players are gathering fro th scum the mssage is given We are now "uncontested". The referee offered the option or taking a PK instead as the situation had materialy altered.

    Was he right in law? Maybe not. But it Equity probably yes.

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    Default Re: Is it uncontested

    Marc what would you have done in my scenario ?

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    Were you making a note of which interchanges were for injury and which for tactical?
    Once a player has gone off twice for an injury interchange he can't come back on again, so you need to know.

    This would have probably told you the answer to whether they had a fit prop left.

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    Default Re: Is it uncontested

    It's not uncontested scrums until there is a scrum to contest, however, I think at most of my level games I would allow them to confirm their decision once the facts were known. Being that most can't keep track of the score and make good decisions on that I wouldn't expect them to know the situation on the opposite bench.

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    Default Re: Is it uncontested

    Even if you make full notes you cannot know : a player previously subbed may have since become injured .. or may have left the ground to go to work .. or may be able to play loose but not tight etc


    It's possible for a ref to know for certain that contested scrums are impossible.

    But a ref can never know for certain that they are possible

    What would you have done Phil ?

    (before I reveal what I did )
    Last edited by crossref; 22-02-19 at 16:02.

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    Default Re: Is it uncontested

    I think time off, confirm if there's an eligable player that can come on. If not then the next scrum is uncontested due to safety issues.

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    Default Re: Is it uncontested

    I would allow the team to change their call if they were not aware of the full facts, however that came about. With one caveat. If they should be aware. For example there has already been an uncontested scrum before the PK award or similar.

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