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    Default Re: Is it uncontested

    Blue must choose blind, but then when it becomes clear whether the scrum is contested or not they can change their mind?

    An unusual answer

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    Default Re: Is it uncontested

    Just to wrap up - the decision I made was Time Off , Red skipper take a moment and work it out

    He came back and said uncontested .. and then was rather surprised to find he was required to put eight players in an uncontested scrum, leaving a two man overlap outfield

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    Default Re: Is it uncontested

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Blue must choose blind, but then when it becomes clear whether the scrum is contested or not they can change their mind?

    An unusual answer
    But it is not what I said


    Quote Originally Posted by What I said!
    I would allow the team to change their call if they were not aware of the full facts, however that came about. With one caveat. If they should be aware. For example there has already been an uncontested scrum before the PK award or similar.
    The bold bit is important. But again you chose to only deal with part of an answer. I would not make them choose blind. I would ask their intentions and I would not hold them to that if the contributing factors materially change. A change in the fundamental dynamics of the scrum contest would certainly be material to me.

    I'm not sure why (but I suspect s reason or two) Why you keep doing this.

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    Default Re: Is it uncontested

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
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    I'm not sure why (but I suspect s reason or two) Why you keep doing this.
    Your post #10 isnt clear then : my post #11 is what I thought you meant

    I find your post #13 also unclear : reading #10 and #13 closely together , I am still not totally sure I understand how you would handle the simple question posed in the OP?

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    . I would not make them choose blind. I would ask their intentions and I would not hold them
    Does the 'them' and 'their' and the second 'them' all refer to the same team ? The sentence just isn't clear

    For me you are giving elliptical, even cryptic answers .... and then complaining when you are misunderstood.
    Last edited by crossref; 24-02-19 at 08:02.

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    Default Re: Is it uncontested

    Ok Let's get "Janet and John" to help you:


    Red Are awarded the penalty


    I would allow RED to change their call if RED were not aware of the full facts, however that came about. With one caveat. If RED should be aware. For example there has already been an uncontested scrum before the PK award or similar.


    abd


    The bold bit is important. But again you chose to only deal with part of an answer. I would not make RED choose blind. I would ask RED's intentions and I would not hold RED to that if the contributing factors materially change. A change in the fundamental dynamics of the scrum contest would certainly be material to me.

    I'm not sure why (but I suspect s reason or two) you Crossref keep doing this.


    I do hope that helps.

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    Default Re: Is it uncontested

    But the context in the OP is options to BLUE.
    The only thing RED have to do is clarify whether they still have a FR for contesting the scrum, or not as was the case.
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    Default Re: Is it uncontested

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    Ok Let's get "Janet and John" to help you:
    you are such a rude person.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    Red Are awarded the penalty
    but I can immediately see why I can't understand your answers: you haven't read the question properly.

    refer to post #1

    BLUE are awarded a PK
    RED prop receives a YC
    BLUE captain is considering choosing a scrum (instead of the PK), but before he decides he wants to know if red can still contest or not?
    RED captain says he doesn't know, I believe him, but also I suspect he doesn't want to answer if he doesn't have to

    If you want to, you can say what you would do in that scenario
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    Default Re: Is it uncontested

    I am rude dealing with idiots. I am indicating in the "Janet and John" tht the same team is refered to through out. The option to take a scrum instead of the Penalty is only open to the non offending side. Sorry, I thought you were aware of that and could work it out.

    I've already answered your question.

    I'll stop engaging with you on the forums. The ignore button was designed for you. Bye.

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    Default Re: Is it uncontested

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    The option to take a scrum instead of the Penalty is only open to the non offending side. Sorry, I thought you were aware of that and could work it out.
    you haven't read the question properly - refer to post #1

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