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    Default WR Quiz - questionable ones #4

    A team knocks on, loses possession and then the same team goes offside. The referee plays advantage for the offside but none materialises. What action should the referee take?
    A Blow the whistle and act on the second infringement
    B Blow the whistle and act on the first infringement
    C Allow play to continue
    D Apply the sanction to the offence which is most advantageous to the non-offending team
    WR Answer - D But this is out of date. The Laws have changed since the quiz was compiled

    Correct answer, as we all know, none of the above

    The offending team commits a second or subsequent infringement from which no advantage can be gained. The referee stops play and allows the captain of the non-offending team to choose the most advantageous sanction.


    ie offer options.



    I think we have seen enough examples now to realise the the Quiz is NOT up to date with the current Law Book...
    Last edited by crossref; 03-03-19 at 18:03.

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    Default Re: WR Quiz - questionable ones #4

    That doesn't make the law book correct in every case; it could still be as unreliable or more so as the quiz.

    Unless you feel that the law is all and only exactly what is written in the law book.

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    Default Re: WR Quiz - questionable ones #4

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_NL View Post
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    Unless you feel that the law is all and only exactly what is written in the law book.
    Well, isn't that definition of a Law Book ?

    Of course the Law Book could have a typo or similar that accidents changes the meaning. In 2019 they corrected a couple introduced in the rewrite. But barring that scenario the Law is what is in the Law Book

    Generally speaking we could distinguish two cases

    1 Oh, that Law dates from 1968 and things have moved on since then , so we ignore it

    2 Oh , that Law dates from last year and appears to change the way we have always reffed it, so we ignore it

    1 is understandable (if confusing for everyone)

    2 is just baffling. How can WR ever change a Law when so many people take this approach
    Last edited by crossref; 04-03-19 at 07:03.

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    Default Re: WR Quiz - questionable ones #4

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_NL View Post
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    Unless you feel that the law is all and only exactly what is written in the law book.
    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Well, isn't that definition of a Law Book ?
    In the past the law book has never been sufficient in itself. Until fairly recently the hand-off was technically illegal, but nobody ever penalised it. Currently nobody penalises a crooked fed at a scrum even though most are technically crooked.

    The lawmakers try to plug gaps from time to time, but often they simply rely on players and referees to have an unspoken agreement about some aspects. The game continues to evolve and the law can only play catch-up.
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    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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    Default Re: WR Quiz - questionable ones #4

    So what's the correct answer to this quiz question?

    Are you saying that its impossible to know, because the "true" Law is not written down in the Law Book, it can only be known by consulting the respected gurus of what constitutes convention and common practice ?

    Or more straightforwardly is the correct answer what it say in 5.2.d?

    The offending team commits a second or subsequent infringement from which no advantage can be gained. The referee stops play and allows the captain of the non-offending team to choose the most advantageous sanction
    Last edited by crossref; 04-03-19 at 20:03.

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    Default Re: WR Quiz - questionable ones #4

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Or more straightforwardly is the correct answer what it say in 5.2.d?
    Yes, but noting that if the offside is close to the knock on, I'm not going to bother offering the scrum option. So D could also be correct.
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: WR Quiz - questionable ones #4

    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    . Until fairly recently the hand-off was technically illegal, but nobody ever penalised it. Currently nobody penalises a crooked fed at a scrum even though most are technically crooked.
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    I have, in the past, PK'd a hand-off to neck or face. I PK crooked feeds. Am I a nobody?


    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    The lawmakers try to plug gaps from time to time, but often they simply rely on players and referees to have an unspoken agreement about some aspects. .
    but often acquiesce to players and referees


    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    The game continues to evolve and the law can only play catch-up.
    The game evolves when rugby laws are not enforced, I would expect the same with any real law. It is human. We can't expect humans to enforce rugby law. Rugby law is subject to opinions and, well, subjectivity.
    Last edited by Not Kurt Weaver; 04-03-19 at 21:03.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Kurt Weaver View Post
    I have, in the past, PK'd a hand-off to neck or face.
    That would come under dangerous play. Technically any kind of hand-off was illegal because it was playing a player who did not have the ball.
    I PK crooked feeds. Am I a nobody?
    I see a lot of different referees plus professional rugby on television. You must be the odd man out.

    The game evolves when rugby laws are not enforced
    Sometimes. However it also evolves when coaches and players devise new tactics etc not covered by existing law.
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    Default Re: WR Quiz - questionable ones #4

    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    However it also evolves when coaches and players devise new tactics etc not covered by existing law.
    That is the good kind of evolution. New tactics are met with counter tactics and so on. That from coaches and players should be applauded not legislated.

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    Default Re: WR Quiz - questionable ones #4

    Convention changes in the way you describe.

    The Law changes when World Rugby write a new Law in the Law Book


    What's the correct answer to the Quiz question?
    Last edited by crossref; 05-03-19 at 07:03.

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