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    Default Is a punch always a red card ?

    I'm having a debate with another ref here and we cannot agree.


    If you see a player punch another player in the stomach ( not head ), without being provoked, would you think about a YC or a RC ?

    If a player is provoked ( let's say by being held illegally off the ball by pulling his shirt ) does this mitigate his punch to the body ?
    If a player is held illegally and reacts by a punch to the head, is that a RC regardless of provocation ?

    i.e. Does a strike to the head demand a higher-level penalty than a punch to the stomach ?

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    Default Re: Is a punch always a red card ?

    Everything has to be judged on its merits at the time.
    I would never like to say X is always a Red Card.

    I know a punch to the head would normally be seen as an instant Red Card, but I can guarantee there will always be some sort of situation where this might not be true. I cant think of one right now, but I have learnt to never say never. Far safer to use your judgement at the time.

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    Default Re: Is a punch always a red card ?

    What about a punch that misses? Intent vs Outcome?

    In your case, I think it really does depend upon everything rolled in together, including mood of the game, previous issues and warnings. At the top, a punch that makes contact with the head will always be Red I think, regardless of the provocation, but am sure there's a case where when you see it you think not.

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    Retaliation is illegal, however natural it maybe.
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    For me, a punch which connects that I see is nearly always going to be a RC. Totally unacceptable conduct, violent, intended, malicious and needs strong refereeing to ensure it is clearly understood such violence is not acceptable. You would not tolerate this behaviour off the field in public (and yes I know you would not expect to be tackled to the ground in the high street but this is punching outside the laws the game not tackling within the laws) and I will not tolerate it on the rugby field.

    I used to be very tempted to RC for a swing and a miss. The outcome should not define the sanction, the violent intent was there. I'm now more lenient and tend to let this go (dependent on context of course).But a connecting punch, regardless of where it impacts, and you're off.

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    Default Re: Is a punch always a red card ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    I cant think of one right now,
    a player is being eye gouged / bitten / squirrel gripped and he lashes out.
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    a player is being eye gouged / bitten / squirrel gripped and he lashes out.
    Is a "Squirrel Grip" what I think it is?

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    Default Re: Is a punch always a red card ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    Is a "Squirrel Grip" what I think it is?
    Yes, held inside a pouch in the cheek

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    Is a "Squirrel Grip" what I think it is?
    it's when one chap grabs & compresses another chap's testicles ... and not in the good way


    aka "other contrary behaviour"

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    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: Is a punch always a red card ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    Is a "Squirrel Grip" what I think it is?
    Grabbing 'nuts'.

    I agree that it is not right that 'every punch is Red', but generally start at Red and see if there are proper mitigating factors. Certainly with body punches - being hit by Muhammad Ali would be very different to your usual U16 full-back throwing it. And, possibly, was it a properly clenched fist thrown with intent, or much more of a flailing arm (trying to break an unfair shirt pull?) where the hand was balled when it landed on another's body?
    Be reasonable - do it my way.

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