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    Default Player goes to ground. Can you award a try ?

    Scenario :
    Red are 10 metres from Blue's goal line. The ball has spilled side-ways from a ruck. Multiple players see that the ball is clearly out of the ruck and is on the ground. They all move towards the ball. Red 10 is first there. He anticipates that there are several defenders closing onto the ball and he so he goes to groudn first and slides along the ground towards the ball. He contacts the ball with his shin and it thus goes forward into the Blue's in goal.
    Red 12 ( who was never in front of Red 10 ) now chases onto the kicked ball and grounds it in-goal.

    What's the decision ?

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    Default Re: Player goes to ground. Can you award a try ?

    PK against. You can't go to ground to play the ball and kick it (13.1)

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    Default Re: Player goes to ground. Can you award a try ?

    I would say it would depend in the intent, if it's accidentally hit off the shin, then by the definitions this isn't a kick as intent is mentioned in the definitons. So if it's intentional, then yeah PK if not 22m DO.

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    Default Re: Player goes to ground. Can you award a try ?

    I agree with AC , bouncing off a shin is not an illegal kick

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    Default Re: Player goes to ground. Can you award a try ?

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I agree with AC , bouncing off a shin is not an illegal kick
    Interesting. Thanks. It was material, in that his team scored a try from his "kicking" on the ground. Does that alter anything?

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    Default Re: Player goes to ground. Can you award a try ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_NL View Post
    PK against. You can't go to ground to play the ball and kick it (13.1)
    Kick: An act made by intentionally hitting the ball with any part of the leg or foot, except the heel, from the toe to the knee but not including the knee. A kick must move the ball a visible distance out of the hand, or along the ground.



    the follow up question would be what if the the ball ricochet's off his knee/thigh, chest (no hands near it) etc etc ie its not a kick

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    Last edited by didds; 06-03-19 at 14:03.

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    Default Re: Player goes to ground. Can you award a try ?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrouchTPEngage View Post
    Interesting. Thanks. It was material, in that his team scored a try from his "kicking" on the ground. Does that alter anything?
    It shouldn't, should it ?

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    Default Re: Player goes to ground. Can you award a try ?

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I agree with AC , bouncing off a shin is not an illegal kick
    He anticipates that there are several defenders closing onto the ball and he so he goes to groudn first and slides along the ground towards the ball. He contacts the ball with his shin and it thus goes forward into the Blue's in goal.
    But as he slid in towards the ball (which presumably was not moving about) I would say he played the ball rather than the ball bouncing off him.
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    Default Re: Player goes to ground. Can you award a try ?

    I think I'd have to see it.
    As others have said, kicking the ball on the ground is an offence, but I think it could have also been a knock on: if the player was trying to bring the ball under control (which would make him in possession) and it went forward.
    Or it could have just been a cock up.

    I'd have probably given the try as I doubt I'd have seen a C&O infringement.

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    Default Re: Player goes to ground. Can you award a try ?

    Quote Originally Posted by DocY View Post

    I'd have probably given the try as I doubt I'd have seen a C&O infringement.
    Clear and Obvious....there's an expression that isn't used enough on this forum!

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