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    Default Re: Knock-on into in-goal

    Shrug , a lot of time players under no pressure at all dot down a ball to get the drop out.

    Usually when the oppo have kicked it into the in goal, true..

    It's a great way to launch a counter attack , many advantages over counter attacking from the goal line

    I don't think anyone consider it negative play .. it's routine


    We could even make a direct comparison

    Red 13 grubber kicks into blue in goal , white touch it dowm
    Red 13 throws forward into blue in goal, white touch it down
    Last edited by crossref; 11-03-19 at 19:03.

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    Default Re: Knock-on into in-goal

    the clear comparisons being for those two scenarios occurring on half way for a similar linear distance and what outcomes would you expect.

    that's the historical context. it now seems WR has muddied the waters and I have no idea what the reality is now.

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    Default Re: Knock-on into in-goal

    Advantage is a device to allow continuity of play. By making the ball dead the “non offending” has stopped continuity. There fore they have “declined” / ended the opportunity to play advantage
    Why are you allowed to kick for touch (making the ball dead but not to ground it and gain? Well as kick to touch only becomes dead IF the kick succeeds: It may not get there / possession is handed over to the other side / A QTI may be an option to the other side and so on.
    The law makers considered a 22 drop out to be “too much advantage” I’m not sure how you can have too much advantage. Eg a RED knock on in Blue’s 22. Blue play advantage and score at the other end. Surely if 22 meters of ground is “too much advantage” then a try from 80 mtrs is also too much. The “non offending” side could kick for touch. Let’s say they kick it 20 meters. Advantage over but let’s say they kick it 50 mtrs to touch is that “too much”?
    However, that is not our call. The law makers decided to put the guidance into “the book” and it was now clear. A knock on into in goal that is minored MUST see a scrum 5 to the defending side as the outcome. Life was easy when the law book was simple.
    Along came the “simplification” and it was decided that this bit of clarification was no longer needed. In fairness they did tell us that no laws were changing, so there was a clue that the Scrum 5 law still applies. However, it is clear, that the policy of letting Theresa May do the re-write was always going to be flawed.
    For me it is business as usual. Knock on into in goal that is “minored” is a 5m scrum to the “non offending” side.

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    Default Re: Knock-on into in-goal

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    For me it is business as usual. Knock on into in goal that is “minored” is a 5m scrum to the “non offending” side.
    But I still love the irony of a knock back in in-goal by the the attacking team and then "minored" is a 22 drop out.
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    Default Re: Knock-on into in-goal

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    But I still love the irony of a knock back in in-goal by the the attacking team and then "minored" is a 22 drop out.


    What offence has been committed? It is simply a ball carried into in goal and minored,

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    Default Re: Knock-on into in-goal

    The point is that the attacking team commit a technical offence and defenders touch down -> defensive scrum five
    Attacking team play well but defenders touch down -> 22DO

    The attackers relatively benefit from knocking on.

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    Default Re: Knock-on into in-goal

    (devil's advocate)

    I suppose there could be an argument that says the defending team actually gain >=5m of territory with a 5m scrum, that elsewhere on the pitch they wouldn't get...

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    Default Re: Knock-on into in-goal

    Those metres of territory come from the attackers putting ball into the in goal, not from the knock on

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    Default Re: Knock-on into in-goal

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_NL View Post
    The point is that the attacking team commit a technical offence and defenders touch down -> defensive scrum five
    Attacking team play well but defenders touch down -> 22DO

    The attackers relatively benefit from knocking on.
    The Attacking team got in to the scoring zone and failed to score. That is their problem. Drop out 22.

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    Default Re: Knock-on into in-goal

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    The Attacking team got in to the scoring zone and failed to score. That is their problem. Drop out 22.
    But only if they fail to score without infringing! Fail to score by knocking on and it's a 5m scrum.

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