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    Default Re: Knock-on into in-goal

    Quote Originally Posted by DocY View Post
    But only if they fail to score without infringing! Fail to score by knocking on and it's a 5m scrum.
    ... or is it ?

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    Default Re: Knock-on into in-goal

    Quote Originally Posted by DocY View Post
    But only if they fail to score without infringing! Fail to score by knocking on and it's a 5m scrum.
    That is the law makers desire.

    Knock on = lose the try scoring chance and possession etc.

    Fail to score with the ball in your possession? hard luck.

    Not for me / us to make the call on the "corectness" of the law. Ours to apply the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
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    Not for me / us to make the call on the "corectness" of the law. Ours to apply the law.
    Well, I know already that I am going to be quoting that one back at ya !

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    Default Re: Knock-on into in-goal

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    Well, I know already that I am going to be quoting that one back at ya !
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    Default Re: Knock-on into in-goal

    Thanks all. My justification also hinged on 7.3 (f) along the lines of:
    -Green has knocked on into in-goal
    -Black has regathered, advantage is applied
    -Black touches down, gaining no advantage
    -Advantage cannot be applied now the ball is dead (7.3f)
    -We return to the last offence, Green's knock-on, which requires a scrum
    -The scrum must be located in the scrum zone (19.1), i.e., 5m out from the goal-line

    So much for the simplified re-write "clarifying" the law here - the 2017 law book was much clearer!
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    Default Re: Knock-on into in-goal

    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo View Post
    Thanks all. My justification also hinged on 7.3 (f) along the lines of:
    -Green has knocked on into in-goal
    -Black has regathered, advantage is applied
    -Black touches down, gaining no advantage
    -Advantage cannot be applied now the ball is dead (7.3f)
    -We return to the last offence, Green's knock-on, which requires a scrum
    -The scrum must be located in the scrum zone (19.1), i.e., 5m out from the goal-line

    So much for the simplified re-write "clarifying" the law here - the 2017 law book was much clearer!
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    Default Re: Knock-on into in-goal

    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo View Post
    Thanks all. My justification also hinged on 7.3 (f) along the lines of:
    -Green has knocked on into in-goal
    -Black has regathered, advantage is applied
    -Black touches down, gaining no advantage


    !
    That last statement is the nub of it

    On the face of it , it's a 22m DO

    You think they have gained no advantage, but that's only because you have decided not to give them the 22mDO

    Other posters (even on this thread) argue that far from gaining no advantage, they have somehow gained TOO MUCH advantage , and that is why they should be denied the drop out
    Last edited by crossref; 14-03-19 at 14:03.

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    Default Re: Knock-on into in-goal

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    You think they have gained no advantage, but that's only because you have decided not to give them the 22mDO
    Not sure what you're getting at here. I haven't decided not to give them the 22 on a whim - I've applied the logic of the law. They had a chance to play the ball out, didn't, advantage isn't applied to a dead ball, so I returned to the offence that triggered advantage.

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Other posters (even on this thread) argue that far from gaining no advantage, they have somehow gained TOO MUCH advantage , and that is why they should be denied the drop out
    And I would be inclined to agree. It certainly seems from the 2017 edition of the laws that this was the law makers' intention.
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    Default Re: Knock-on into in-goal

    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo View Post
    And I would be inclined to agree. It certainly seems from the 2017 edition of the laws that this was the law makers' intention.
    Which is an odd conclusion as the rewrite actually removed the exception relating to knock ons that cross the goal line, making them the same as all other knock-ons.
    Last edited by crossref; 14-03-19 at 15:03.

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    Default Re: Knock-on into in-goal

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Which is an odd conclusion as the rewrite actually removed the exception relating to knock ons that cross the goal line, making them the same as all other knock-ons.
    The intention of the 2017 law book was clear. The intention of the rewrite, we were repeatedly told, was to simplify without making changes, except where law experiments were explicitly called out).

    Since no such specific call out has ever been published regarding the status of a knock-on in/into in-goal, it's not that odd a conclusion to arrive at.
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