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    Default Re: NO on forward pasess

    Quote Originally Posted by chbg View Post
    It is a forward pass if: the arms of the player passing the ball move towards the opposition's dead-ball line.

    Except: in a strong adverse wind, when the ball is blown backwards after leaving the hands?
    another two sentence definition but again different from all the rest .. and OB disagrees with it.

    I rest my case. Its a complex Law that is very difficult to sum up (and which, amazingly, we don't even al agree on)

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    Default Re: NO on forward pasess

    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    As the well-known Australian/WR video demonstrates, the ball can travel forward over the ground and not be a throw forward.
    yes, but it can't travel backward over the ground and yet stilll be a forward pass. (which according to your definition, OB, could be the case)
    Last edited by crossref; 14-03-19 at 23:03.

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    Default Re: NO on forward pasess

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    yes, but it can't travel backward over the ground and yet be a forward pass. (which according to your definition could be the case)
    CR, are you harping on about the esoteric situation where a player is running towards his/her own dead ball line? If so, you're creating more heat than light.
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: NO on forward pasess

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    CR, are you harping on about the esoteric situation where a player is running towards his/her own dead ball line? If so, you're creating more heat than light.
    it's not that esoteric, it probably happens in most elite games - where there is a lot of kicking

    One player catches the ball running toward own DBL, and passes it to his team mate.
    Obviously it's not a forward pass but because he has slowed down the backward velocity of the ball (= increased the forward velocity of the ball) then by OB's physics based definition it would be. (a weakness of physics based approach)

    The only point I was making really is that it's very difficult to sum up the Law in one or two simple sentences -- which is why the four or five attempts on this thread are very different -- and even contradictory.

    I think WR's approach is probably the best attempt- look at the arms.
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    Default Re: NO on forward pasess

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I think WR's approach is probably the best attempt- look at the arms.
    and even that will let you down. Think of the player who gets wrapped and driven backwards a nano-second after he's offloaded the ball. Looks like a forward pass but isn't
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: NO on forward pasess

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    yes, but it can't travel backward over the ground and yet stilll be a forward pass. (which according to your definition, OB, could be the case)
    How? What gave rise to the +4 you claimed earlier?
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    Default Re: NO on forward pasess

    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    How? What gave rise to the +4 you claimed earlier?
    A player running toward his own goal line who makes a flat pass has reduced the backward velocity of the ball (to zero)
    It's not s forward pass.

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    Default Re: NO on forward pasess

    Quote Originally Posted by thepercy View Post
    The direction the ball travels is not relevant to the thrown forward law. As per the definitions in the LotG, the direction the arms move is the determining factor.
    and if you'd asked me a week ago Id haev 100% supported you. In fact I still 100% support you - with the caveat that NO expressly says that is not what they do _now_ (in that chat with BCM666 linked to at the OP). If we wish to be pedantic to be fair to NO he says "hands" not "arms" ...

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    Default Re: NO on forward pasess

    This is actually surprisingly easy, a forward pass is the one I as ref call as forward, based on all manner of calculations that I'm not really consciously thinking about. On average 50% of the people on the pitch will disagree with me, that's ok, that's rugby.

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    Default Re: NO on forward pasess

    Quote Originally Posted by Flish View Post
    This is actually surprisingly easy, a forward pass is the one I as ref call as forward, based on all manner of calculations that I'm not really consciously thinking about. On average 50% of the people on the pitch will disagree with me, that's ok, that's rugby.
    I think this works perfectly well in the community game

    But in the pro game when the TMO has been asked to check if a pass was forward ... Not so much. For that we need clear parameter

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