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    Catching up and watching the Eng girls v Italy from the weekend. It is telling that all the things that are accepted violations in the men's game are being actively managed in the girl's game.

    The ref is picking up the offside line effectively especially at rucks and scrums. People in front of the kicker are being pinged. Joining the rucks from the side etc, all the cynical little niggles do not appear to be allowed.

    The only difference I could possibly apply is the consideration of materiality, you could see arguments, from some, to say the girls should be given a little more leeway to ensure the game is attractive. Yet the spectacle is enthralling, the skill levels and commitment are high on both sides. A sure advert for a better game.

    Can we have this for the men's game as well please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BikingBud View Post
    Catching up and watching the Eng girls v Italy from the weekend. It is telling that all the things that are accepted violations in the men's game are being actively managed in the girl's game.

    The ref is picking up the offside line effectively especially at rucks and scrums. People in front of the kicker are being pinged. Joining the rucks from the side etc, all the cynical little niggles do not appear to be allowed.

    The only difference I could possibly apply is the consideration of materiality, you could see arguments, from some, to say the girls should be given a little more leeway to ensure the game is attractive. Yet the spectacle is enthralling, the skill levels and commitment are high on both sides. A sure advert for a better game.

    Can we have this for the men's game as well please?
    I presume you are referring to the Women as opposed to Girls!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BikingBud View Post
    Catching up and watching the Eng girls v Italy from the weekend. It is telling that all the things that are accepted violations in the men's game are being actively managed in the girl's game.

    The ref is picking up the offside line effectively especially at rucks and scrums. People in front of the kicker are being pinged. Joining the rucks from the side etc, all the cynical little niggles do not appear to be allowed.

    The only difference I could possibly apply is the consideration of materiality, you could see arguments, from some, to say the girls should be given a little more leeway to ensure the game is attractive. Yet the spectacle is enthralling, the skill levels and commitment are high on both sides. A sure advert for a better game.

    Can we have this for the men's game as well please?
    Perhaps the ref thinks of them as "girls" rather than as professional athletes

    (did he also make the captains play RPS)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BikingBud View Post
    The only difference I could possibly apply is the consideration of materiality, you could see arguments, from some, to say the girls should be given a little more leeway to ensure the game is attractive. Yet the spectacle is enthralling, the skill levels and commitment are high on both sides. A sure advert for a better game.
    Maybe the game is attractive because they enforce the laws properly!

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    Default Re: Application of Laws

    Same goes for U20's 6N - a much more attractive and entertaining spectacle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Perhaps the ref thinks of them as "girls" rather than as professional athletes

    (did he also make the captains play RPS)
    Give the fella a break, maybe a poor choice of words but the post overall was very positive about both the quality and entertainment factor of the women game and the way it is refereed. I prefer to focus on that rather than and possibly ill-advised word choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebra1922 View Post
    Give the fella a break, maybe a poor choice of words but the post overall was very positive about both the quality and entertainment factor of the women game and the way it is refereed. I prefer to focus on that rather than and possibly ill-advised word choice.
    It's actually important.
    I know you can't see that - and neither can OB - but that you can't see it is right at the heart of the battle women face.

    Simon posted something very eloquent on the RPS thread, the last time we discussed male attitudes to women's rugby

    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    I'm wary to tread in here, but...

    This is the top tier of domestic Women's Football, a game that still struggles to get taken seriously. It's an issue that a lot of women playing what have traditionally been seen as "men's" sports face. We still have referees over here who patronize women players, insist on coaching them despite the fact that they are National D1 Final Four and better players than he a referee, and make "safety" based decisions that don't apply to the men's games they do.
    does that sound a bit like the situation in the OP ?

    No doubt everyone will gleefully tell me the game in the OP had a female ref. But I am not sure that makes a difference.

    QUESTION : are women's elite games reffed differently from men's elite games ? If so why?

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    Maybe because viewers are fewer and more likely to appreciate rugby, rather than having to pander to "big hits" and "free-flowing play" that the public demand of the modern men's game? The latter is singularly different from women's, U20, age grade and grassroots rugby.

    Different doesn't have to mean inferior. Perhaps it should just be made clear that tier 1 men's rugby is not a pinnacle towards which all others should aspire, but an interesting populist sideshow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    It's actually important.
    I know you can't see that - and neither can OB - but that you can't see it is right at the heart of the battle women face.

    Simon posted something very eloquent on the RPS thread, the last time we discussed male attitudes to women's rugby



    does that sound a bit like the situation in the OP ?

    No doubt everyone will gleefully tell me the game in the OP had a female ref. But I am not sure that makes a difference.

    QUESTION : are women's elite games reffed differently from men's elite games ? If so why?
    Not sure what your beef is CR but lads and lasses, chaps and chapesses, girls and boys or men and women, if I was meaning under 20s or possibly even younger then I would have made that distinction. I am sure most others would quickly realise that if I was watching a match from the weekend that had been televised that is was probably not age grade rugby. In fact I would be interested to know what other Lady's (happier with that term) rugby is televised. 6 Nations game abroad are not always televised live.

    But you haven't answered the question just asked it again, well done

    Also not sure what you are referring to regarding RPS as with out a link to review the context it doesn't really mean much at all

    If you are trying to insinuate that my comments in some way undermine the application, prowess, strength, efforts, skills and capability of the girls to engage in a fantastic game that provides excellent entertainment then you are well wide of the mark

    So thanks for your efforts in progressing the discussion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_NL View Post
    Maybe because viewers are fewer and more likely to appreciate rugby, rather than having to pander to "big hits" and "free-flowing play" that the public demand of the modern men's game? The latter is singularly different from women's, U20, age grade and grassroots rugby.

    Different doesn't have to mean inferior. Perhaps it should just be made clear that tier 1 men's rugby is not a pinnacle towards which all others should aspire, but an interesting populist sideshow.

    Oh there were big hits a plenty both from attackers and defenders. As there has been throughout the girls 6 Nations competition.

    Also some of the free flowing and instinctive heads up running rugby would put the kicking display that left England floundering in the last 20 mins against Wales to shame.

    Watching a tight head prop catch the ball behind her in one hand and then accelerate and leave the full back flat footed with a great side step was a sight to behold. Shame the lads couldn't find the skill, ability and inspiration to deliver the same type of game

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