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    Quote Originally Posted by thepercy View Post
    Do adult women play to the full laws in the RFU? I have friend that said when they (adult women) toured in the UK, they were made to use U-19 law variations. Is this normal practice, or just an anomaly?
    BUCS Ladies play Under 19 scrum laws except for the Premiership. So there are variations that CAN crop up.

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    As do the RFU leagues again except Premiership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camquin View Post
    As do the RFU leagues again except Premiership.
    Not true. Did you read the link I posted?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo View Post
    Elite and high level competitions from National Challenge 1 upwards are the full set of laws.

    National Challenge 2 and below are indeed governed by the U19 variations - check out the RFU Governance Reg 16 Appendix 1 here: https://www.englandrugby.com/mm/Docu...x1_English.pdf
    There is also provision for NC2 and below to play with reduced numbers and still have the matches count towards the league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    thanks, I stand corrected.
    So how many women's matches have you refereed (incorrectly)?

    In other closely linked sports, there are cross country (and all other discipline) skiing races for Ladies and Men, but biathlon (skiing & shooting) races for Women and Men.

    Different people use the same words differently. It is an error (of our times) to construe offence out of innocence. By all means explain why an offence could be taken, but respect the intention as well.
    Be reasonable - do it my way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chbg View Post
    So how many women's matches have you refereed (incorrectly)?
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    :-) none . I haven't done any NC2 .
    One NC1 and one friendly.

    I always check regs before I ref anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    It's an urban myth, and another great source of frustration bamongst female players that refs are constantly turning up asking that . Again it is belittling that people find it plausible

    The Rfu women's leagues play the same laws as men
    And so has every friendly I have reffed
    Women's NC South East 2 play U19s regulations, and also on at least one occasion I have reffed then the captains agreed to reduce height of hand-off's to chest heigh (which I confess I found somewhat hard to remember and apply consistently).

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    :-) none . I haven't done any NC2 .
    One NC1 and one friendly.

    I always check regs before I ref anyway
    Still boring me and haven't answered the Q

    So do you feel the laws are applied equally?

    When you officiated in the NC1 game did you apply them in the same manner and with the same rigour you apply to the male game?

    Do you see any benefit in mandating to elite referees that, given the obvious differences in law application, that the spectacle and the supporting public deserve better officiating.

    Moreover would this clear mandate enable grass roots players to better relate to the professional game rather than being alienated?

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    FWIW - I tried to ref my NC2 games as empatheticaly as I could. It’s an odd mix with some highly skilled players on the pitch, and some players who are very new to the game.

    I gave as much leeway on technical issues as I could, had to actively manage a dominant pack so as to avoid uncontested scrums...

    And I would welcome men’s TV game applying some laws more rigorously ... feeding, staying on feet etc

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    I've reffed 4, no differently to the men's games I do. The lower level is indeed tricky, with wildly different skill levels on the pitch, and generally the tempo is lower and the play cleaner than the equivalent men's level. And I've never seen a tampon used to plug a nosebleed in the men's game

    But the differences are there even without me changing my style.

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    "You look at the younger girls now getting capped in front of that many people - that shows how quickly our game has developed in 12 years and the support that's out there for it."

    Katy Daley-Mclean on BBC Rugby discussing the changes since her first cap 12 years ago.

    Do you want to tell her CR?

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