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    Default Re: Is this forward pass

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    It wasn't



    good point - so the pod stands flat with the 9. When he passes they take a step forward to catch the ball.
    If they are flat then play on.

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    Default Re: Is this forward pass

    FWIW, IMO - forward pass.

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    Default Re: Is this forward pass

    Whilst in theory it is a fwd pass, I am agree with mccroker's suggestion of not blowing the whistle and allowing the game to continue. i would suggest that a pass that is not C&O fwd and affected by wind and is gathered by stationary players behind the gain line is not a material infringement.

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    I think it would be an unnecessary relaxation of the law that would lead to much dissatisfaction and argument. It is likely to cause problems when applied differently by different referees. It is far too ill-defined. Players can and should adapt to the conditions themselves, not expect the referee to do it for them
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    Default Re: Is this forward pass

    I wonder if the different schools of thought correlate with different levels of games reffed

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    Default Re: Is this forward pass

    Is it more a question of whether the Laws are to be interpreted legalistically , or common sensibly?

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    The problem with common sense is that the sense is rarely common, and the common rarely sense... I don't think there's one single approach to materiality that can lay claim to being "the common sense approach". If you want to charge it the other way, it could be a question of whether the laws are to be applied fairly and evenly throughout the game, or only as the ref sees fit!

    The level definitely enters into it, but to keep this somewhere in the realm of realism - it's not going to happen at grassroots, and no-one's going to call it at higher levels unless it's clear and obvious. I'd say at higher levels the call would be expected.

    I've played once in a gale that blew straight along the pitch, it was immense fun! There were grubber kick restarts, scrums back to the kicker's own 22 for kicked dead through in-goal, players getting blown over and you couldn't hear any calls from more than about 15m away. The last thing you think of doing when you're leaning into the wind just to stay upright is a 15m spin pass out wide, though... I'll leave that to the profs.

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    Default Re: Is this forward pass

    The #9 has deliberately thrown the ball forward.
    Players need to adjust to the conditions of the day so if the pod needs to be deeper, the pass shorter etc etc.
    In the first instance I would blow and award a scrum having a quick word with the 9, while the forwards are dicking around and having their usual breather before the scrum, that "I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and calling that forward pass unintentional", with that little "get my drift?" glance/look.

    If you let it go he will throw the next one forward, and the next, and the next.


    Let the players adjust. They will still get to play rugby if you've only had to ping him once.
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    Default Re: Is this forward pass

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    what if the wind was strong at their backs so that the pass was backwards but the pod had to stand in front of the SH to receive the ball?

    Hint:
    A player who receives an unintentional throw forward is not offside.
    What if its not an unintentional thrown forward, but a backward or flat pass (from the arms, and that's the determining factor in Law) that goes forward due to wind or a weird bounce to players in a pod in front of the original passer?

    I would call the OP pass forward, and blow the whistle.

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    Default Re: Is this forward pass

    so just to be clear - if the pass was made directly backwards over a player's head, but the wind carried it forwards to a position in front of him - you would call that a forward pass?

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