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    Default South African schoolboy rugby viral tackle video

    I’m sure many other have seen this video going viral recently:
    https://twitter.com/nabasboer/status...677114368?s=21

    What’s the RRF consensus?

    For my $0.02, I think it’s a straight red under 9.11 or 9.13 - tackler not in control, tackled player’s head/neck is first point of contact with the ground.
    If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you... you must be a rugby referee!

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    Default Re: South African schoolboy rugby viral tackle video

    Tackle timing probably ok in terms of when he committed to the tackle, but reckless, has a duty of care and became dangerous so a red card (based on the luxuries of replays and a second look)

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    Default Re: South African schoolboy rugby viral tackle video

    I am tempted to say the tackle was perfectly legal (as best i can see on that video).

    Wrapped him up.
    Below the shoulder.
    Didn't lift him beyond the horizontal.

    Just unfortunate that the drive flipped him over.
    The key for me is that there was no lifting of the legs.

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    Default Re: South African schoolboy rugby viral tackle video

    Not a lift tackle, but tackler is responsible for getting the tackled player safely to the ground; the tackler leaps in and has no contact with the ground. At the very least reckless - this is U14 rugby, too.

    Brings to mind this
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiIUeVsdeiw
    which was right on the edge for professional adult rugby, and Lawes kept his feet on the ground.

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    Default Re: South African schoolboy rugby viral tackle video

    For what it's worth, this is what I think.

    • It's a legal tackle - not above shoulder height, doesn't lift the layer etc
    • Just a quick look at the video and he looks a lot bigger than the White BC. Could this have been addressed in the PMB?
    • It's definitely a "Safety stoppage" for me.
    • I would definitely be having a word about "excessive force"
    Last edited by Taff; 26-03-19 at 10:03.

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    Default Re: South African schoolboy rugby viral tackle video

    I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place here.

    I get particularly because its schoolboy rugby that it is all aboutr safety. i get bthe bit about excessive force...

    but if the player asks you "Ok ref, that's fine. How much force is not excessive?" - what are you going to answer?


    maybe "I'll know when you might have put the oppo in hospital" ?

    I once put an oppo in hospital. Safe tackle, full wrap, about midriff, nowhere near the chest even, side tackle. Was that "excessive force" ?


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    Default Re: South African schoolboy rugby viral tackle video

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    ..... I get the bit about excessive force... but if the player asks you "Ok ref, that's fine. How much force is not excessive?" - what are you going to answer?
    My answer would be "I'll recognise it when I see it OK!. And that looked excessive to me gents."

    Hopefully, the White player had a breather, dusted himself down and got on with the game. I don't like the phrase, but we'd have to "manage it" somehow.
    Last edited by Taff; 26-03-19 at 11:03.

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    Default Re: South African schoolboy rugby viral tackle video

    Absolutely Taff. I am just uncofortable with refs addign "requiremenbts" that are in themseloevs not measurable and are subjective, possibly even woutcome based.

    IF that same player performs a text book kknee high, full wrap, squueze the banana side tackle and the tackjled player just happens to break a leg - is that tackler now looking at sanction for something that 99.9999999999999% of the time is just " a tackle" ?

    tha5t's the issue.

    But I do understand - its not simple.

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    Default Re: South African schoolboy rugby viral tackle video

    Certainly, as others have put it, is not a "Tip" of any type. However the critical bits of Law are:

    9.11

    and

    9.13 (not limited to...")


    The only questions can be:

    Was it "reckless"? or was it "dangerous"?

    The answers to the questions depends on context.

    For me, it was fine but unfortunte (in outcome - but, with few exceptions{ e.g. high tackles} we don't make calls based on outcome.
    Last edited by Marc Wakeham; 26-03-19 at 11:03.

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