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    Default How do you resume the game for ball not going 5m?

    Hi,

    please look at this video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload...ature=youtu.be

    How would you resume the game?


    1. Free kick
    2. Choiche (Scrum - Thrown In)
    3. Other


    Thank you

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    Default Re: How do you resume the game for ball not going 5m?

    It used to be a FK. The lawbook changed this - unnanounced - to options(/choice), but the example film shows a FK being given. It's a mess.

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    Default Re: How do you resume the game for ball not going 5m?

    The ball must:

    • Reach the five-metre line before it hits the ground or is played.[COLOR=#2A3D83 !important]Sanction: [/COLOR][COLOR=#2A3D83 !important]Option of lineout or scrum. If the lineout is chosen and the ball is again not thrown straight, a scrum is awarded to the team that originally threw in the ball.[/COLOR]

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    Default Re: How do you resume the game for ball not going 5m?

    Option call:

    Either
    a) Scrum to the non-offending team on the 15m line, or
    b) Line out again, with the non-offending team throwing in the ball.

    However, if this line out is not straight then the sanction is a scrum (there is no option)
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    Default Re: How do you resume the game for ball not going 5m?

    Level dependent.

    (Very) Low levels: "Ok lads lets go again."

    Above you have to apply the law book Scrum or throw in to a new line out. as per:

    2017
    19.7 INCORRECT THROW-IN
    (a) If the throw-in at a lineout is incorrect , the opposing team has the choice of throwing in at a
    lineout or a scrum
    on the 15-metre line. If they choose the throw-in to the lineout and it is
    again incorrect , a scrum is formed. The team that took the first throw-in throws in the ball.


    2019
    23. The ball must :
    a. Be thrown in straight along the mark of touch;

    and
    b. Reach the fivemetre line before it hits the ground or is played.

    Sanction: Option of lineout or scrum. If the lineout is chosen and the ball is again not thrown
    straight, a scrum is awarded to the team that originally threw in the ball.
    c. Be thrown in without delay once the lineout is formed. Sanction:

    So no change there then
    Last edited by Marc Wakeham; 27-03-19 at 12:03.

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    Default Re: How do you resume the game for ball not going 5m?

    Hard to say the ref might not have awarded a free kick for what he might have viewed as a delay in the throw, or entering and recovering in the 5m channel (always though the laws are a bit vague on the element), rather than a error in the throw from the viewing angle he had.

    Without additional info you shouldn't be 100% confident to suggest an error on his part.

    Unlikely perhaps, but we'll never know.
    Last edited by ChuckieB; 27-03-19 at 12:03.

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    Default Re: How do you resume the game for ball not going 5m?

    Quote Originally Posted by cccref View Post
    How would you resume the game?
    I have found that the best way of working it out is to ask yourself "Why didn't the ball travel the minimum 5m?"

    • If the Thrower messed it up - it's a LO / Scrum option.
    • If a player in the LO messed it up (eg running into the 5m channel before the ball had gone 5m) - it's a FK.

    In your video, the Hooker messed up (so strictly speaking it should be LO / Scrum option) but depending on the tone of the game, age etc as Wakeham hinted I must admit I may be tempted to ask him to throw it again.
    Last edited by Taff; 27-03-19 at 12:03.

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    Default Re: How do you resume the game for ball not going 5m?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckieB View Post
    The ball must:

    • Reach the five-metre line before it hits the ground or is played.[COLOR=#2A3D83 !important]Sanction: [/COLOR][COLOR=#2A3D83 !important]Option of lineout or scrum. If the lineout is chosen and the ball is again not thrown straight, a scrum is awarded to the team that originally threw in the ball.[/COLOR]
    Badly drafted?

    If not 5 and then (lineout chosen) not straight, it cannot be "again not thrown straight". They presumable meant scrum if either infringement occurs on the second lineout.
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    Default Re: How do you resume the game for ball not going 5m?

    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    Badly drafted?

    If not 5 and then (lineout chosen) not straight, it cannot be "again not thrown straight". They presumable meant scrum if either infringement occurs on the second lineout.
    Bad drafting? Surely not!

    At least we do know what they mean on this one. Or Perhaps not?

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    Default Re: How do you resume the game for ball not going 5m?

    OB, you are not saying that the Law book, the sanctum of all that is holy within the game, is badly drafted.
    Surely after all the times the committee has spent on it it should be perfect.

    But I forget it is a IRB committee, they were probably on the gin.
    I suppose we should be grateful it does not have a sweary rant about their ex-girlfriends.

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