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    Default Re: How do you resume the game for ball not going 5m?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    it's an empathy thing. If a player attempts to kick off but it ends up as a fresh air swing, what do you do?
    add one stroke to his scorecard?

    …..ill get me coat.
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    Default Re: How do you resume the game for ball not going 5m?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    if the non-throwing team had picked up the ball and played on, is this an advantage situation?
    Great question.

    At first I thought "no". But on deeper thought I think "why not?". Not reaching 5m is in the same law as "not straight throw "(18.23) and I've played on/advantage to the defence receiving the ball from a crooked throw (surely others have too?). So under the same law it seems reasonable to me to allow "play on" if the 2 x 2 defending hooker grabbed the ball and ran on?

    I could be convinced either way - so it would be interesting to see what other thoughts and law logic others would apply?

    Edit: meant to also say that the throw has started legally and met one of the criteria for "ended" ie 18.37.a.ii
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    Default Re: How do you resume the game for ball not going 5m?

    It's not in the list of "when advantage must not be played" so why not?

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    Default Re: How do you resume the game for ball not going 5m?

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    It's not in the list of "when advantage must not be played" so why not?
    My question is is the ball still dead ?

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    Default Re: How do you resume the game for ball not going 5m?

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    My question is is the ball still dead ?
    No, the line out has commenced, I'd allow positive play to the non infringing team, give them the advantage and see what they can do with it,

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    Default Re: How do you resume the game for ball not going 5m?

    I can’t make up my mind on this one. There appears to be no reason why advantage cannot be played in that situation but in practice I suspect that there are few occasions when the non-throwing side would prefer it over options. It would feel slightly odd playing advantage and then coming back 3 or 4 phases later if no advantage was forthcoming for this. I would also be half aware that it wouldn’t be something the opposition would expect and could potentially therefore be at an additional disadvantage (although they should of course play to the whistle). On balance it seems as though not playing advantage would be tidier and what was expected but I could also be persuaded otherwise.

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    Default Re: How do you resume the game for ball not going 5m?

    As a ref you will have a happier time blowing whistle (safe decision). No one will blame you for that .

    If you play advantage and they score from it you will have a try in a situation where most of the players didn't know what was happening ... It may be right but....

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    Default Re: How do you resume the game for ball not going 5m?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jz558 View Post
    I can’t make up my mind on this one. There appears to be no reason why advantage cannot be played in that situation but in practice I suspect that there are few occasions when the non-throwing side would prefer it over options. It would feel slightly odd playing advantage and then coming back 3 or 4 phases later if no advantage was forthcoming for this. I would also be half aware that it wouldn’t be something the opposition would expect and could potentially therefore be at an additional disadvantage (although they should of course play to the whistle). On balance it seems as though not playing advantage would be tidier and what was expected but I could also be persuaded otherwise.
    You call "advantage "X" ball not 5". see what happens but done wait for too many phases in hope. If players are not expecting the possibility of advantage that is their problem.

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    Default Re: How do you resume the game for ball not going 5m?

    If you're standing at the back of the lineout or in the back line and the ref calls advantage to the opposition, you likely don't know what it's for (unless it's obvious - e.g. clearly not straight), but you play on. Same for a knock on in the lineout, which is often invisible to most players. I'd call the advantage and let play continue.

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    Default Re: How do you resume the game for ball not going 5m?

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    As a ref you will have a happier time blowing whistle (safe decision). No one will blame you for that .

    If you play advantage and they score from it you will have a try in a situation where most of the players didn't know what was happening ... It may be right but....
    I see what youre saying but what about the opposition all-knowing-clever captain interogates as to why his hooker was denied?

    It may not be the happy ending you were hoping for..
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