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    Default LO/Scrum Option or FK

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    Ball is thrown-in not straight, jumper uses outside arm (not above his head with both hands).

    LO/Scrum Option 18.23.a

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    FK 18.29.b

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    Default Re: LO/Scrum Option or FK

    I am going options (perhaps incorrectly, because 18.29.b hadn't registered in my head)...
    Even so my reasoning is that not-straight is the first offence, and scrum/LO options is certainly what the players would expect.

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    Default Re: LO/Scrum Option or FK

    Technically the not straight is the first offence, but I'm sure you could sell either offence/sanction. Make your decision and be clear why "FK, outside arm", "Captain, option, not straight" - simples.

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    Default Re: LO/Scrum Option or FK

    It's hard to penalise the jumper when the ball is on his outside shoulder...

    Imagine he's on a warning for disrupting the lineout - surely you wouldn't card him for the hooker's bad throw? And if the hooker is on a warning for not throwing straight, you wouldn't let him off because the jumper used the wrong hand to control the ball.

    I'd go with options for not straight - it's far clearer to everyone, a much better known law, and above all seems fairer.

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    Default Re: LO/Scrum Option or FK

    Almost invariably penalise the not straight first - irrespective of which team (!) then used their outside arm illegally.


    18.29b comes into play when it is otherwise fair competition for the ball.
    Be reasonable - do it my way.

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    Default Re: LO/Scrum Option or FK

    well, we all know that if a player knocks on and an offside team mate plays the ball, then it is a penalty because the offside is more egregious than the knock on.

    Same for this OP?
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: LO/Scrum Option or FK

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    well, we all know that if a player knocks on and an offside team mate plays the ball, then it is a penalty because the offside is more egregious than the knock on.

    Same for this OP?
    I'd say no. Why?

    Because, with offside following a Knock On the player is preventing the opposition from playing the ball, and possibly gaining an advantage.

    Whereas here, if the player is playing the ball with his ouside arm, he is not really affecting the other sides chances of catching the ball.

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    Default Re: LO/Scrum Option or FK

    [QUOTE=Marc Wakeham;357630

    Whereas here, if the player is playing the ball with his ouside arm, he is not really affecting the other sides chances of catching the ball.[/QUOTE]

    Depends what he is doing with his inside arm!!☺

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    Default Re: LO/Scrum Option or FK

    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    Depends what he is doing with his inside arm!!☺
    This is what you should be asking yourself .
    If the ball is thrown not straight and the jumper uses his outside arm then give the options for not straight. If it’s a borderline throw or even a fair throw and he uses his outside arm, there’s a fair chance he’s doing something illegal with his inside arm
    When you are dead, you don't know that you are dead. It is difficult only for the others.
    It's the same when you are stupid.

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    Default Re: LO/Scrum Option or FK

    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    Depends what he is doing with his inside arm!!☺
    Well obviously if he is doing something material / dangerous or whatever. But, on the face of it we hve a not straight throw thata plyer is reachign outside the line with the "wrong arm". on that basis I'm going first offence.

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