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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Kurt Weaver View Post
    Yes, IF did say that same sex marriages shouldn't be allowed. I agree with that. Other than marriage, what rights did IF say are not afforded to homosexuals?

    There are some pros and cons financially for being married. In our country, I think most health insurance companies recognize partners. But I would not consider the pros and cons of marriage as rights.

    you really have me confused with your final sentence

    Before you assign a name to me for my questioning of your post, I'd bake and decorate the cake.
    Oh brother, not that anyone responded to my post. But I realized the bit in bold could be misunderstood. It is better writ as: I agree that is what IF said.

    FWIW I am not opposed to same sex marriages. It will become interesting when polygamists start to request legal marriage, although it may be legal somewhere already..

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    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    More power to him, I say. Let me raise the money and blow it on legal fees. Will it prove he is a better person? No. The way I see it poverty is a big issue in Tonga right now. For various reasons, 22.5 percent of the population lives below the poverty line. Domestic violence is very high. Alcoholism too. As a Pacific Islander he should be concerned about such things, but is sadly more interested in property portfolios and obeying his bigoted parents. As a devout Christian, I am disgusted that he should claim to share the same beliefs. Nothing of what he says or does strikes me as being motivated by a belief in a higher power.
    Ouch, non sequitur attack on his race and parents. I didn't know his decision making as a Pacific Islander had any thing to do with this.

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    Quite an interesting article her e

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/new...ectid=12244086

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Even more interesting is the report today that a prominent law firm estimate that Folau’s legal bill will be more in the range of $300k not $3m
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    And here is a fun poll .. opinions are very divided

    https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports...41aefbe042e2f0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Kurt Weaver View Post
    Ouch, non sequitur attack on his race and parents. I didn't know his decision making as a Pacific Islander had any thing to do with this.
    Religion and culture have always existed in close relationship to one another. He turned to the Pentecostal faith because his family share those beliefs. In turn, most Pentecostals believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible, which influenced his comments, which correspondingly have alot to do with his background.

    Vicious circle.
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    Did you know only 28 countries allow single sex partnerships.
    And not all of those allow marriage (they have some type of equivalent)

    I would bet that , globally, a great majority of the population still disagree with it.

    Some of those who disagree with same sex marriage would be ok with same sex civil partnerships

    IF views seem bigoted to us, in the West, but to many they are probably mainstream


    Not sure how many people believe in hell, though..

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    fwiw, i'm entirely in favour of same-sex marriage. homosexuals should be allowed to be as miserable as heterosexuals.

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    I think government incentive and sanctioning of marriage is outdated and unnecessary. Why discriminate against those who are unmarriagable or choose to be single. If you want to commit yourself to another person through a religious ceremony or otherwise, then great for you, but why give you a tax break over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thepercy View Post
    I think government incentive and sanctioning of marriage is outdated and unnecessary. Why discriminate against those who are unmarriagable or choose to be single. If you want to commit yourself to another person through a religious ceremony or otherwise, then great for you, but why give you a tax break over it.
    In the UK the main breaks are
    .. passing on assets to eachother free of inheritance tax
    .. pension sharing
    .. fair splitting of assets on separation

    If we didn't have those then a lot of people would find thselves penniless after the death or loss of a spouse and the state would have to look after them, and their children

    Society benefits a lot from people being in stable partnerships and it makes sense to allow those 'breaks'

    Imo we should also extend them to couples in long term non sexual relationships (eg siblings or just friends) if they have formed a long term interdependent partnership

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