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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Quote Originally Posted by Not Kurt Weaver View Post
    Australia Civil Rights and Civil Liberties will be tested.
    Indeed. Just a shame it's not on some other non-rugby battlefield.

    In sum, the point of contention may well be, as is often the case in human rights law, a matter of conflicting rights. To quote Anthony Whealy, former NSW Supreme Court judge, Clearly the intent [of the code] is to whole-heartedly “include” the gay community in the rugby movement. But is its intention to “exclude” traditional Christian and other religious beliefs?
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    I wonder what proportion of the world's population have a negative religious opinion about gays ..

    I wonder what proportion of the world's population have a negative secular opinion about religious belief (hands up, this would be me)

    Can we all play rugby together ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I wonder what proportion of the world's population have a negative religious opinion about gays ..
    Sounds like a rugbyrefs poll.

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I wonder what proportion of the world's population have a negative secular opinion about religious belief (hands up, this would be me)
    Well, you would have to identify a secular population for this poll. North Korea could be a starting point.

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Can we all play rugby together ?
    We will have to find a ref. That would requires some form of organization, planning and rules for this governing organization. Administrators have to look for good ideas to govern this organization. Some of these rules may have to be in agreement with laws of the land this organization is located within. Some lands may have religious based laws.

    this whole IF thing have been avoided if the game was amatuer, and it was 1994 again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Kurt Weaver View Post

    this whole IF thing have been avoided if the game was amatuer, and it was 1994 again
    Pretty much where Australian rugby is headed.
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    Raelene Castle
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    am 100% confident. And I’m confident because those players understand that everybody has a right to their own views on religious beliefs, and as long as they continue to express them in a respectful way we will continue to support them. And I have absolute confidence that Michael Cheika will build a rugby team that is incredibly competitive for the World Cup
    So it's not what he believes
    It's not because he said what he believes

    it's because he didn't say it in a respectful way?

    Guardian report of presser
    Israel Folau sacked: Rugby Australia terminates contract over social media posts – live!

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/li...y_to_clipboard

    RA release

    https://www.rugbyau.com/news/2019/05...anction-breach

    Anyone got a copy of the written judgement / decision
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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Raelene Castle


    So it's not what he believes
    It's not because he said what he believes

    it's because he didn't say it in a respectful way?
    Yup. Bigotry against protected minorities is not respectful - what it is, is despicable

    I keep seeing people falling over themselves to blame RA for this. None of this is their fault.

    The blame for what has happened to Folau lies fairly and squarely on Folau himself and no one else.

    1. He posted bigoted comments directed at homosexuals (and I don't care if it is some twisted interpretation of his bible - bigotry is bigotry whatever the source.)

    2. He was warned not to do it again.

    3. He agreed that he would not do it again.

    3. He did it again.

    4. He refused to take his post down.

    5. He would not guarantee not to do it again.

    This was only ever going to end one way and that is with his sacking. If he appeals, he will not have a snowball's chance in hell of winning.


    Let me ask you this. What do you think would happen to an atheist professional rugby player if he made public-facing bigoted remarks about homosexuals?

    PS: Its a pity you chose to post those words from Raelene Castle, but chose not to post the more pertinent ones...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
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    Let me ask you this. What do you think would happen to an atheist professional rugby player if he made public-facing bigoted remarks about homosexuals?
    In a respectful way? Or not in a respectful way?

    What would you do about about an atheist who made bigoted comments about fundamentalist Christians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    In a respectful way? Or not in a respectful way?

    What would you do about about an atheist who made bigoted comments about fundamentalist Christians?
    You answer my question first!
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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    You answer my question first!

    Good luck with that. Part of the reason I have blocked him. It's wonderful not seeing his posts!

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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    You answer my question first!

    It was a silly question
    It would depend on what was said, of course

    Sanctions against bigoted homophobic Christians range from
    Warning (Billy V)
    4 weeks (Basterau)
    Sacking (if)



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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    Good luck with that. Part of the reason I have blocked him. It's wonderful not seeing his posts!
    I forgot that you were here !
    Blocked, but not forgotten, then
    The pleasure is mutual
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