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    The man changes his religious persuasion almost as often as he changes codes in football; first Mormon, then a very liberal Pentecostal (ACC), and now a hard nosed Tongan version of that same Church. Most of the 69 million members of his Pentecostal church worldwide wouldn’t recognise his unique interpretation of the bible.
    “When I look at his behaviour and the posts on his Twitter feed, you realise this is a disturbed man. I know from my experience people who are that obsessed and that judgemental – there’s some deep personal problem they’re projecting,”
    Judge not! is a core belief for Christians, guess he hasn’t read his bible attentively enough.
    Some dark secret is eating away at him inside? Interesting point of view.
    He will undoubtedly turn his coat again before long, and rejoin the ranks of us sinners.

    Article entitled «*There’ something wrong with him*»
    Originally raised a Mormon, Folau found Assemblies of God in 2011.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    I think that convicted paedophiles should be excluded from junior rugby. Does that make me a bigot?
    Don’t they do a police background check for youth coaches, where you come from? That would pretty much exclude most unsavory types. Bigotry, like brutality on the field of play, is something you will recognize when you see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    The man changes his religious persuasion almost as often as he changes codes in football; first Mormon, then a very liberal Pentecostal (ACC), and now a hard nosed Tongan version of that same Church. Most of the 69 million members of his Pentecostal church worldwide wouldn’t recognise his unique interpretation of the bible.
    “When I look at his behaviour and the posts on his Twitter feed, you realise this is a disturbed man. I know from my experience people who are that obsessed and that judgemental – there’s some deep personal problem they’re projecting,”
    Judge not! is a core belief for Christians, guess he hasn’t read his bible attentively enough.
    Some dark secret is eating away at him inside? Interesting point of view.
    He will undoubtedly turn his coat again before long, and rejoin the ranks of us sinners.

    Article entitled «*There’ something wrong with him*»
    Originally raised a Mormon, Folau found Assemblies of God in 2011.

    He definitely should be excluded from playing rugby based on your findings

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post

    Would it be ok to be in KKK if you were perfectly happy to play rugby with non white ?
    Here is the difference, the KKK player would keep his shut and collect his 4 million dollars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Kurt Weaver View Post
    Here is the difference, the KKK player would keep his shut and collect his 4 million dollars.
    What if you knew he was KKK but he never mentioned it on social media

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    What if you knew he was KKK but he never mentioned it on social media
    He wouldn't have been hired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Kurt Weaver View Post
    He wouldn't have been hired.
    yes, which has interesting implications for the congregation of the Assemblies of God, who presumably will not be welcome at rugby clubs, regardless of what they have or haven't said on social media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    yes, which has interesting implications for the congregation of the Assemblies of God, who presumably will not be welcome at rugby clubs, regardless of what they have or haven't said on social media.
    God you talk some rubbish sometimes

    Not all AoG are the same. They are not at all like the Catholic Church with a Pope and global structure and doctrine. They are in many ways a disparate group of mostly liberal, pentecostal churches with relaxed views on LGBTQ+. Many branches of AoG allow women clergy (in contravention of Timothy 2:12), divorce (in contravention of Matthew 5:31-32) and for a divoirced person to remarry (in contravention of Luke 16:18). However, some branches are very strict conservatives and Bible literalists (or at least they claim to be although they are very picky-choosy over what they take literally); the Tongan Branch to which Folau belongs, is one of those.

    If you are a member of AoG, you are not necessarily anti-LGBTQ+, but if you are a member of KKK, you are certainly a racist and a white supremacist.

    IMO, every National rugby body the world over will be planning to head this kind of controversy off at the pass. They will be reviewing what they have in their player contracts, and I can't imagine any of them not inserting a very specific social media and public statement clause into all their employment contracts. It will be a non-negotiable clause; if players do not agree to it, they won't get a contract.
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    Fact:
    1. Folau is a dickhead.
    2. Australian Rugby is in an absolute mess
    3. Even if RA win the inevitable court case based solely on the Code of Conduct, there will be an appeal and another and another until the appeals process is exhausted.
    4. Word is that Christian groups are raising funds to support IF’s legal fight.
    5. This will dominate the newspapers here for longer than a royal pregnancy.
    6. Within 5 years, the Wallabies will be lucky to be in the top 10 rugby nations in world rankings.
    7. RA will argue in court it’s all about the Code of Conduct while Folau’s lawyers will argue it’s all about the bible.

    Irony:
    1. In court, IF will have to swear on the bible that the offending text came from.

    Massive Irony:
    1. Raelene Castle May have to swear on the same bible
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    yes, which has interesting implications for the congregation of the Assemblies of God, who presumably will not be welcome at rugby clubs, regardless of what they have or haven't said on social media.
    The ability to score trys will override that presumption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fat View Post
    Fact:
    7. RA will argue in court it’s all about the Code of Conduct while Folau’s lawyers will argue it’s all about the bible.
    Australia Civil Rights and Civil Liberties will be tested.

    I think Australia refers to these as Human Rights
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