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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post

    How about FGM, which for some peoples appears to be a religious or quasi-religious matter?
    it is an act of savagery. I don't understand your point.
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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    it is an act of savagery. I don't understand your point.
    My point is that there is no consensus on when it is right impose one's own beliefs on other people. There is a whole spectrum of cases.

    I agree with your view on FGM, but we should note that circumcision is widely accepted.

    Self-righteousness is not a very helpful way to approach religious differences because we are usually dealing with precisely those areas that are purely belief driven and therefore least open to rational discussion, for example abortion.
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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    I can't believe there wasn't a liked for my Vegan joke in #137

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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Quote Originally Posted by Not Kurt Weaver View Post
    I can't believe there wasn't a liked for my Vegan joke in #137
    Perhaps if you lived with one (a Vegan) you would find it less funny too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    Perhaps if you lived with one (a Vegan) you would find it less funny too.
    a Vegan and a rugby ref in the same household, misery loves company, i guess

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    Now that’s funny you should say so.
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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    In the post match coverage Billy Vunipola said it was never his intention to hurt anybody by his comments. However it was the best opportunity he is ever going to get to apologise for the hurtfulness of his comments and he simply didn’t. His employer should take note, he is not in the slightest bit sorry for what he said. I am a great believer in the long game, one day you will live to regret your bigotry, Billy boy. Just because in the comfort of your own home, fellow Tongans tell you are right, remember this: Bertrand Russell once said
    ‘Even if all the experts agree, they may well be mistaken.'
    I can only hope that day isn’t all that far off. RWC time maybe? We will see...

    Also his man of the man was undeserved, Owen Farrell bossed the game around and if you had to select a loose forward then Oghenemaro Miles « Maro » Itoje was far more effective on the day. Scoring a try on the back of a pack effort is not man of the match criteria. EPRC trying to make him look good?
    He has used his fame as a rugby player to voice his (bigoted?) beliefs on social media and in doing so has brought the game into disrepute. The least he might have done was say I am sorry. He’d like us to believe he’s such a nice, kind gentle soul, put your money where your mouth is then Billy. It takes a man to apologise, but your not are you?

    Sure reiterate that your beliefs are such;
    be at least be man enough to say «I am sorry if I have offend anyone by what I said.» Sad git! Respect is earned, not convinced you deserve any respect, definitely didn’t deserve man of the match.
    Last edited by L'irlandais; 23-04-19 at 18:04.
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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    In the post match coverage Billy Vunipola said it was never his intention to hurt anybody by his comments. However it was the best opportunity he is ever going to get to apologise for the hurtfulness of his comments and he simply didn’t. His employer should take note, he is not in the slightest bit sorry for what he said. I am a great believer in the long game, one day you will live to regret your bigotry, Billy boy. Just because in the comfort of your own home, fellow Tongans tell you are right, remember this: Bertrand Russell once said I can only hope that day isn’t all that far off. RWC time maybe? We will see...

    Also his man of the man was undeserved, Owen Farrell bossed the game around and if you had to select a loose forward then Oghenemaro Miles « Maro » Itoje was far more effective on the day. Scoring a try on the back of a pack effort is not man of the match criteria. EPRC trying to make him look good?
    He has used his fame as a rugby player to voice his (bigoted?) beliefs on social media and in doing so has brought the game into disrepute. The least he might have done was say I am sorry. He’d like us to believe he’s such a nice, kind gentle soul, put your money where your mouth is then Billy. It takes a man to apologise, but your not are you?

    Sure reiterate that your beliefs are such;
    be at least be man enough to say «I am sorry if I have offend anyone by what I said.» Sad git! Respect is earned, not convinced you deserve any respect, definitely didn’t deserve man of the match.
    Please stop inciting me to hate this person. Thanks in advance.
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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    Now that’s funny you should say so.
    Oh, that is quite the cross you have each choose to bear.

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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    I am reminded that Chris Laidlaw, in his estimable "Mud in your eye" made the point that (certainly in his era) the rugby community was not exactly at the cutting edge of liberalism.

    There are perhaps wider questions here: has anyone from the England camp denounced what he said?
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