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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jz558 View Post
    Crossref raises a good point, common identity has historically been a very significant driver in the formation of many teams and clubs. Whilst not being blind to prejudice it is worth noting that that the existence of LGBT teams may not necessarily indicate intolerance in the wider game rather it may allow individuals to feel confident enough to participate in a sport they may otherwise be apprehensive about. Whilst there are always exceptions I have always felt that overall rugby was pretty inclusive and largely avoids ill-informed prejudice. However if players feel more confident in LGBT teams then that great but I’m confident that they would find the same camaraderie in other Clubs also
    I understand the point about comm I identify and it is a great or justification for having LGBT clubs. But too your point about rugby being inclusive. How many LGBT players are you aware of in your club or clubs near to you? How many LGBT referees are you aware of in your society?

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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    this thread has proved to quite topical now ... wonder what's going to happen with Billy V ... and all the England players who support him

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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zebra1922 View Post
    How many LGBT players are you aware of in your club or clubs near to you? How many LGBT referees are you aware of in your society?
    There are many male and female LGBTetc players in my local Club and they are accepted and involved the same as anybody else.
    There are also a number of LGBTetc referees in my association and they are accepted and involved the same as everyone else.

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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Any fundamentalist Christians ?

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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Any fundamentalist Christians ?
    There could be.....what's your point?

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    Lightbulb Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Alan Quinlan isn’t the greatest rugby commentator, but this is a fairly balanced response to Israel Folau’s tweet.
    (Or Instagram or whatever platform it was.)



    Interesting that Folau had been a poster boy for the LGBT community in August 2014, why the sudden U-turn?

    If Folau is so into the Bible, isn’t he willfully over looking some verses? Like;
    Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. (Matthew 7:1-2)
    We are all sinners, pretty sure there are some failings Mr Folau would prefer never become public knowledge.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Bigotry himself
    ...hell awaits drunks, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists and idolators,
    That about covers the entire membership of my local rugby club. I think he is genuinely not for this code. Try Aussie rules again, Israel.
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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    this thread has proved to quite topical now ... wonder what's going to happen with Billy V ... and all the England players who support him
    Wife beating is a major problem on the island of Tonga. Perhaps Folau didn’t include it in his list of sins, because he thinks it’s okay to do that sort of thing. Perhaps Mr. B. Vunipola would do well to concentrate on his day job and spend a little less time liking dubious online comments.
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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    There could be.....what's your point?
    It was the fundamentalist Christian who got booed on Saturday (Billy V at Bristol)... Because of his attitude to LBGT people ..


    Just that it's a complex problem
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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    There are many male and female LGBTetc players in my local Club and they are accepted and involved the same as anybody else.
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    which is as it should be -- but I am not sure this inclusion is echoed at top levels in England

    Of course the goodwill received by both is hugely positive but let’s not kid ourselves that rugby does not have a problem when there is not a single Premiership and/or England player who is openly gay.
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    But on the other hand there seem to be quite a number supporting Billy V ..
    Compounding the RFU’s headache, the No 8’s post was liked by fellow England internationals Manu Tuilagi, Nathan Hughes, Nick Isiekwe and Courtney Lawes, who replied with his own message defending Vunipola’s decision to offer his opinion. It remains to be seen whether they and other Premiership players, including his childhood friend and Wales No 8 Taulupe Faletau, who also “liked” the post, will face further action.
    Of course this is a society-wide tension. Modern secular values prize inclusion. Inclusion of LGBT and inclusion of religion. But religious values are sometime NOT inclusive... hence the tension. But who would have thought this society-wide collision of values would all play out on a rugby pitch , of all places.

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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    For some reason, when in the public eye / a role model, the most difficult thing to do seems to be ‘say nothing’. Everyone should be free to believe in whatever they like, and to an extent they can speak about it to, but the freedom to speak bit isn’t freedom from consequences - and the more in the public eye you are the higher the consequence - do these players not understand that? Or have they gone soccer and believe they’re above it all?

    Disappointing and frustrating :-(

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