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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    I hear people screeching about Freedom of Speech. I say poppycock.
    Don't be too eager to give up your freedom of speech for fear of offence. Once it is gone it might be very hard to get back.

    I've been to Brunei a few times. It's problems aren't rooted in "hate speech". Rather, the opposite. Any dissident views are quickly and quietly dealt with. The Brunei Times newspaper was shut down under suspicious circumstances in 2016.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    you remain, as always, a class act. Maybe the 18 months in Dunedin at the Bruce Gun Club practicing with assault rifles at human silhouette targets didn't help?
    Oh, he was a rabid, white supremacist a long, long time before he ever disgraced our shores. He only came and did it here (rather than in Australia) for two reasons

    1. He considered our more open policy towards refugees and racial unity more deserving of punishment (he actually stated that in his manifesto)
    2. The guns he needed were easier to get here after Australia wisely clamped down in the wake of the Port Arthur spree killing (its a pity we didn't follow suit)
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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    So anyhoo

    What should become of Billy V ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    (he actually stated that in his manifesto)
    hope you haven't got a copy or I'll have to report you to the thought police.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    So anyhoo

    What should become of Billy V ?
    Well I can tell you what has become of Folau... he has been sacked

    https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-a8870126.html

    Folau committed a high level breach of his contract (specifically the Professional Players' Code of Conduct). He had received warnings in the past (Rugby Australia said they were “numerous”) and yet he continued to act in breach of his contract.

    "It was made clear to him that any social media posts or commentary that is in any way disrespectful to people because of their sexuality will result in disciplinary action."

    This is not punishing him for his beliefs, it is simply termination following multiple and repeated breaches of his contract.

    1. He signed a contract in which he agreed to act in a certain way, and specifically, to not post on his public platform in a certain way.

    2. He acted in breach of his contract.

    3. He was formally warned for those acts.

    4. He ignored the warnings and continued to act in a manner that breached the agreement he made with RA.

    5. His continued breaches showed that he didn’t have any respect for RA and the contract he had with them.

    6. RA therefore terminated his contract.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    hope you haven't got a copy or I'll have to report you to the thought police.
    I don't have one, but I know people who have exemptions to have copies.
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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    it is breathtaking to say that you respect someone's right to hold a different opinion but then take punitive action if they express that opinion.

    I respect your right to be a Communist but will make sure you never work in this town again.

    Maybe we've actually moved backwards since Arthur Miller.
    I think you're being deliberately obtuse.

    Here in the USA, the Government cannot interfere in free speech, with very limited exceptions, which is as it should be.
    As an employer, I have the right to lay out what I consider to be acceptable from my employees, and anything that can make the company appear in a bad light can lead to disciplinary sanctions.

    These two ideas are not in opposition to one another. To tolerate the sort of speech that Folau espouses can make it difficult to defend claims of harassment, discrimination or Hostile Work Environment.

    This isn't a free speech issue. It's a contract issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
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    This isn't a free speech issue. It's a contract issue.
    I think it is both of those (is it a fair and reasonable contract)
    It's also a collision of values ...

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    being rather more prosaic Id imagine most employment contracts would include a clause about not divulging commercially sensitive company information .

    doing so wouldn't be offensive towards any demographic probably. But would be in direct contravention of the employment contract - but certainly within the limits of free speech.

    So should we all be allowed to divulge our employer's commercially sensitive company information ?

    didds

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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    being rather more prosaic Id imagine most employment contracts would include a clause about not divulging commercially sensitive company information .

    doing so wouldn't be offensive towards any demographic probably. But would be in direct contravention of the employment contract - but certainly within the limits of free speech.

    So should we all be allowed to divulge our employer's commercially sensitive company information ?

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