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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Religiously motivated terrorism?
    Is Religiously motivated terrorism special in some way? Is it worse in some way than, say, ideologically motivated terrorism?

    Isn't religion just a form of ideaology anyway?

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    You need to read the news more
    Well, never mind the news you need to just READ more...

    crusader

    noun: crusader; plural noun: crusaders; noun: Crusader

    1. a fighter in the medieval Crusades.

    2. a person who campaigns vigorously for political, social, or religious change.

    Crusader(s): a 2007 direct-to-DVD motion picture, a 2001 Italian television mini-series, a novel by Stefan Heym, a 1960s garage band, a jazz and R&B group popular in the 1970s, Neil Christian's backing group, a newspaper of the African Blood Brotherhood, a publication of College of the Holy Cross, a newspaper of The Knights Party and a 1931 Lorado Taft sculpture in Chicago's Graceland Cemetery, and a team of DC Comics superheroes (good luck getting Marvel Comics to change that name... I know precisely what they will tell you to do... and it ends in "-off".)

    As yet, we haven't even got to sports..

    Athletics teams
    Belmont Abbey College Crusaders, the athletic teams of Belmont Abbey College, Belmont, North Carolina
    Canisius Crusaders, the athletics teams of Canisius High School, Buffalo, NY
    Crusaders, the athletics teams of Chicago's Brother Rice High School
    Holy Cross Crusaders, the athletics teams of College of the Holy Cross
    North Greenville Crusaders, the athletic teams of North Greenville University, Tigerville, South Carolina

    Cricket teams
    Kandy Crusaders, a Sri Lankan domestic T20 cricket team

    Football teams
    Crusaders, the sports teams of Pensacola Catholic High School
    Crusaders, the sports teams of the University of Dallas
    Carlstad Crusaders, an American football team from Sweden
    Crusaders F.C., an association football team from Northern Ireland
    Valparaiso Crusaders, the sports teams of Valparaiso University

    Rugby teams
    Crusaders (rugby union), a rugby union team from New Zealand, formerly the Canterbury Crusaders
    Western Crusaders, a rugby union team from Fiji


    Quote Originally Posted by TigerCraig View Post
    Saracens?
    Precisely... and Warriors, Redskins, Braves, Indians, Chiefs, Blackhawks, Vikings?

    If crossref wants to be Professional Offense Taker, why not just go the whole hog (no offense intended) and take offense at anything that anyone, anywhere, anytime might consider offensive. If the Crusaders name is deemed "offensive" then I can give you all the same reasons why "Vikings" should not be allowed as a team name - invasion, rape, pillage, plunder, mass murder. Do the British have resentment against Scandinavian countries over what the Vikings did? They were only a couple of hundred years before the Crusades! No they don't because they got over it. Its time for Muslims to get over the Crusades and move on.
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    Here's my idea...




    Keep the name, change the imagery and the meaning
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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Yes but bottom line .. Do you think the crusades are something to be proud of? Or something to be ashamed of?
    The answer will determine whether it's a good name for a sport club

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Yes but bottom line .. Do you think the crusades are something to be proud of? Or something to be ashamed of?
    The answer will determine whether it's a good name for a sport club
    trying to form a binary view (good or bad) for historical events is fraught with difficulty as I'm sure you're aware.

    Bad:
    ruthless and widespread massacre of Muslims, Jews and other non-Christians

    Good:
    successfully extended the reach of Western civilization.
    Trade and transportation improved throughout Europe.
    Created a constant demand for supplies and transportation, which resulted in ship-building and the manufacturing of various supplies.
    Heightened interest in travel and learning throughout Europe, which may have paved the way for the Renaissance.
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Yes but bottom line .. Do you think the crusades are something to be proud of? Or something to be ashamed of?
    The answer will determine whether it's a good name for a sport club

    Bottom line? Neither... its something I don't care about, at all, not one jot. Its history, it happened three quarters of a millennium ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    Bottom line? Neither... its something I don't care about, at all, not one jot. Its history, it happened three quarters of a millennium ago.
    Agree, it was a different time. It is very easy to revise history and put it to today's standards, but it is merely uncomparable hindsight


    Kinda like watching a game from the 90's and applying 2019 laws, and criticizing the ref
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post

    Attachment 3888

    what's that all about?
    idk, but damnn that's embarrassing for all involved. Talk about hindsight, there is a picture of the 4 horsemen that each will regret

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...reedom/588697/

    This. It's an Executive Rule. How, exactly, do you suggest one fight against it?
    Read it, I do not find it too objectionable.

    I'm not sure of the worst case scenario that could result, but the gov't can't force docs to perform abortions, transition surgery or mercy killing. This proposal does not permit docs to turn down patient based on sexual preference. which the article leads on to believe.

    In all 25 provisions were re added. All of which were approved at some point by congress. So I guess you could notify your congressperson, or run for congress yourself. AOC did.

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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    So, religious need trumps medical need. OK. Got it. (pun unintended)

    I don't take particular offence to the Crusaders because each side was full of atrocities. But a sensitive team in the modern age could do well to examine the imagery associated with the team.
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    Tullamore Dew, the Afghan Wigs, and many, many strippers - how to get over your ex. How true.

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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Saracen simply means muslim, it doesn't denote a crusader or a jihadi

    (but yes, it's not a good name for a rugby club)
    Originally it was the enemies of the crusaders, and they did plenty of killing, raping and pillaging. The people of the balkans may have a view.

    All those teams called Saxons, Trojans, Spartans, Centurions, Knights should have a good hard look at themselves i guess. And Saints have had some bad things done in their names

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