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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Its amusing to know that Ian spends large amounts of time on other forums talking Pollocks
    On one of the forums, this post would get you a Nomination for the Language Award (for pith)
    (and that's a good thing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    presumably with pillocks
    And this post would get you a warning (Ad Hominem attack on the General membership)

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    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post

    "Alan Jones, a vocal critic of Rugby Australia, this morning labelled Folau “A gentle Polynesian gifted Christian soul” fighting a “critical battle, not for money, but for principal”.


    Oops, a Freudian slip?

    adjective: principal

    1. first in order of importance; main.
    2. denoting an original sum invested or lent.

    As I suspected, its all about the money. If is was about principle (the correct spelling) he wouldn't be after $10 million.

    Looks like Folau isn't just a bigot, he's money-grubbing bigot.


    PS: If Rugby Australia were to crowdfund their defence effort, I would be more likely to contribute to that!
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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Alan Jones has jumped on the Izzy train only because he hates Rugby Australia.
    Folau’s team making this all about religious persecution. RA’s team need to simply keep the focus on an employee breaching the code of conduct. History will tell you that religious wars rarely have an end.
    Folau is thinking “I want to be a martyr”
    Mrs Folau is thinking “WTF have I done?”
    When you are dead, you don't know that you are dead. It is difficult only for the others.
    It's the same when you are stupid.

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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    It's not just about breaching a code of conduct though, is it?

    That is no doubt what the legal case will turn on, but all this is really about the nature of the views expressed, and the conflict between religious and secular values

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    It's not just about breaching a code of conduct though, is it?
    Yes it is.

    It is exactly and only about that, everything else is irrelevant distraction.

    I repeat, and I will keep repeating until Folau's apologists take notice. If this was a white guy we were talking about, and he was white supremacist who solemnly, truly and wholeheartedly believed with a religious fervour that his views were valid and correct, and he made a public facing social media post stating that all darkies should go back to where they came from, he would have had his contract ripped up immediately - no second chance.

    Folau has been treated more than fairly. He is the engineer of his own downfall.


    ETA: A friend posted this on his GoFundMe page

    "If you're going to insist on asking people to pay to fix your mess I think you need to explain exactly how this is a better use of their money than feeding the hungry or curing the sick. Having freedoms like you claim to be fighting for is a luxury millions around the world [they] would firmly put after not staving to death. How many mosquito nets could be bought for this money? Is this more important than those people lives? Is that what a good Christian would do? "
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    No, the code of conduct is merely the legal peg to hang the case on. Most CoC breaches would be pretty meh, attracting no real interest.

    The reason rugby Australia and their sponsors are so uncomfortable and people are so interested in the case isn't about the technicalities of the CoC, it's because he expressed bigoted views, which are contrary to the inclusive values of the secular world in general and the rugby world in particular


    I notice your friend (for instance) doesn't mention the CoC at all .. rather he attacks IF's values

    And again, with your hypothetical white racist example , you didn't mention the CoC at all, you assert that he would have his contract torn up because of his racist values ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    No, the code of conduct is merely the legal peg to hang the case on.
    No, the CoC breach is why this is all happening.

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Most CoC breaches would be pretty meh, attracting no real interest.
    Really. Well standards in the UK must have dropped. In this neck of the woods, CoC breaches are serious, and they get punished.

    Zac Guildford, breached CoC for a second time - lost his NZRugby & Super Rugby contract.
    James O'Connor breached CoC twice - goneburger.
    Jesse Ryder breached CoC twice - his NZ Cricket contract terminated.
    Losi Filipo, breached Coc and committed an assault, Wellington Lions contract terminated.

    These are just a few examples

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    The reason rugby Australia and their sponsors are so uncomfortable and people are so interested in the case isn't about the technicalities of the CoC, it's because he expressed bigoted views, which are contrary to the inclusive values of the secular world in general and the rugby world in particular
    Err no. The CoC includes an undertaking by players not to contravene WR Regulations - which will include Regulation 20

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I notice your friend (for instance) doesn't mention the CoC at all .. rather he attacks IF's values
    He doesn't attack Folau's values, he questions them!

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    And again, with your hypothetical white racist example , you didn't mention the CoC at all, you assert that he would have his contract torn up because of his racist values ..
    I repeat, Regulation 20
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    Default Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    I think you are having trouble seeing the wood from the trees

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I think you are having trouble seeing the wood from the trees
    I see perfectly clearly. I think you are just an apologist for Folau's bigotry
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