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    Default Re: Incorrectly taken penalty.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Fat View Post
    Got a sanction and law reference for non-compliance with each of those actions in OP?
    There is no sanction, that's the point .. take the PK properly to restart the game

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    Default Re: Incorrectly taken penalty.

    In summary and with a bit of sweeping generalisation...

    At one end: 'the laws haven't changed, if it's undefined refer back to 2017 law book': Scrum opposition.
    At the other end: 'there is only the 2019 law book, time to stop referring back to 2017': PK not taken, restart game.

    Which I think leaves it for me (as a somewhere in the middle pragmatist just trying to keep the game fair/fun) to decide between retake and scrum depending on which 'feels' fair (with no real basis in law) given the details of the situation.

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    Default Re: Incorrectly taken penalty.

    You are over complicating !

    The Laws are what's in the Law Book

    It is the duty of the referee to apply fairly all the laws in every match, including law trials and
    variations as authorised by World Rugby.

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    Default Re: Incorrectly taken penalty.

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    The Laws are what's in the Law Book
    Please cite law reference where it specifies the kicking team are entirely to retake a penalty or free kick following their failure to comply with the requirements in law 20.5 - 20.11.

    I understand you think the question is black and white, and your view is the only possible interpretation - but unless you can back it up with a law reference, it is just your opinion. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but I am not sure why it's more valid than mine.

    Given the required course of action seems to be unspecified, I am going to use my judgement to apply the outcome that I feel is most appropriate given the game context and the specifics of the infringement.

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    Default Re: Incorrectly taken penalty.

    Well this doesn’t quite answer the OP. However the French have a Law, which says if the misconduct by the opposition prevent a conversion or penalty kick from being taken before the match ends. Then the referee awards the points for the kick.

    Si l’arrêt de la rencontre intervient après qu’une tentative de but, accordée à l’équipe non fautive (but après essai ou coup de pied de pénalité), a été empêchée par les agissements de l’équipe adverse, l’équipe non fautive obtiendra le bénéfice du but.
    Okay it doesn’t help for restarts after an incorrectly taken PK, but came up it another discussion and seemed relevant to my way of thinking. Probably only needed because of “all” the match ending mass brawls this side of the channel.
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    Default Re: Incorrectly taken penalty.

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    There is no sanction, that's the point .. take the PK properly to restart the game

    Well just for the fun of it, let’s start with the first one that says no delay in taking a Pk. Are you saying that if a player takes more than 60 seconds to kick at goal you have to just keep telling him to kick it until the PK has been taken? We all know that’s not how it works and we award a scrum. Once again, the current law book makes life hard for new refs because of a lack of info
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    Default Re: Incorrectly taken penalty.

    If it is not specifically itemised in law -it is a scrum to the opposition.

    I also subscribe to managing the situation if I can by giving the benefit of doubt and thus a re-take, but if a definite attempt to cheat is spotted I would expect the scrum immediately.
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    Default Re: Incorrectly taken penalty.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Fat View Post
    Well just for the fun of it, let’s start with the first one that says no delay in taking a Pk. Are you saying that if a player takes more than 60 seconds to kick at goal you have to just keep telling him to kick it until the PK has been taken? We all know that’s not how it works and we award a scrum. Once again, the current law book makes life hard for new refs because of a lack of info
    This offense is specifically listed in the Scrum Chart. 19.1(14 or n {why don't these have a number or letter for each box?})

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    Default Re: Incorrectly taken penalty.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Fat View Post
    Well just for the fun of it, let’s start with the first one that says no delay in taking a Pk. Are you saying that if a player takes more than 60 seconds to kick at goal you have to just keep telling him to kick it until the PK has been taken? We all know that’s not how it works and we award a scrum. Once again, the current law book makes life hard for new refs because of a lack of info
    Time off, hurry up.

    (Or if you are feeling really jobsworth FK under 9.7d)

    You would do the same wouldn't you ? Honestly?
    Last edited by crossref; 11-04-19 at 18:04.

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    Default Re: Incorrectly taken penalty.

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    time off, hurry up.

    (or if you are feeling really jobsworth fk under 9.7d)

    you would do the same wouldn't you ? Honestly?
    or

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