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    Default Re: Incorrectly taken penalty.

    It's not in the table .. in the table is a PK at goal and the 1m limit


    penalty attempt at goal not taken within the time limit.


    Otherwise - surely no one would reverse a PK into a FK to the offenders because the decision-huddle was taking too long?

    just tell them to hurry up, stopping the clock if appropriate

    (I mean yes if this was the fifth time you had warned them etc etc but normally..)
    Last edited by crossref; 12-04-19 at 10:04.

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    Default Re: Incorrectly taken penalty.

    OK I missed the at goal bit but stopping the clock in these circumstances doesn't fit with law 5 does it? If it's material i.e. 1 point ahead under pressure with 2 mins to go, the timewasting law is there to be used surely?

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    Default Re: Incorrectly taken penalty.

    It's pretty hypothetical scenario .. FK for timewasting is very very rare . It's almost always better to manage it.

    If blue commit a PK offence and end up getting awarded a FK because red huddled too long .. I don't think that would be a good outcome. Better to manage it

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    Default Re: Incorrectly taken penalty.

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    If it is a kick at goal, yes that

    So .. follow the Law Book

    What's your point?
    You responded to a post about taking more than the allotted time to kick at goal, and suggested a FK for time wasting. You were wrong, I pointed this out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thepercy View Post
    You responded to a post about taking more than the allotted time to kick at goal, and suggested a FK for time wasting. You were wrong, I pointed this out.
    No, I responded to a post that asked me

    Well just for the fun of it, let’s start with the first one that says no delay in taking a Pk
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    And I said I would not give a FK !

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    Quote Originally Posted by thepercy View Post
    You responded to a post about taking more than the allotted time to kick at goal, and suggested a FK for time wasting. You were wrong, I pointed this out.
    No, I responded to a post that started off by asking me

    Well just for the fun of it, let’s start with the first one that says no delay in taking a Pk
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    And I said I would manage it and I would NOT give a FK !
    I said a FK would be a jobsworth option
    Last edited by crossref; 12-04-19 at 18:04.

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    Default Re: Incorrectly taken penalty.

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    No, I responded to a post that started off by asking me

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    And I said I would manage it and I would NOT give a FK !
    I said a FK would be a jobsworth option
    So you only read the first sentence of The Fat's #16, but then quoted the whole post, which went on to specify the kick at goal, then ignored it? Then offered an incorrect "management" rather than what the law prescribes (a scrum), then said someone that is a jobsworth (one that uses pedantic petty rules) would give a FK, which is also incorrect, as it is a scrum. This seems to be a new theme for you. Saying things that are wildly inaccurate, then saying that you didn't say the thing that we can all go back and read. Go back under your bridge.

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    Default Re: Incorrectly taken penalty.

    oh FFS ...

    This thread is about what are the sanctions for an incorrectly taken PK .. laws 20.5 to 20.12

    Have a look at the OP

    I have been on topic the whole thread ..

    Yes , there has been a few messages at cross purposes after other posters introduced the sanctions for running out of time at a place kick Law 8.21 (a different question) .. and you are right, I missed that. I thought we were still talking about 20.5 to 20.11 the OP

    What is your opinion on the question in the OP ? Specifically What would you do if a team don't comply with 20.5 ?
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    It wouldn’t be RRF if discussions stayed on topic for very long.
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    Default Re: Incorrectly taken penalty.

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    oh FFS ...

    This thread is about what are the sanctions for an incorrectly taken PK .. laws 20.5 to 20.12

    Have a look at the OP

    I have been on topic the whole thread ..

    Yes , there has been a few messages at cross purposes after other posters introduced the sanctions for running out of time at a place kick Law 8.21 (a different question) .. and you are right, I missed that. I thought we were still talking about 20.5 to 20.11 the OP

    What is your opinion on the question in the OP ? Specifically What would you do if a team don't comply with 20.5 ?
    I think we all agree that this shouldn't be a 2019 v 2017 Law book argument but the fact remains that in 2018 WR said there had been no Law changes as a result of the reduction/simplification of the 2017 book. As such, guys who were refereeing in 2017 will still be applying 2017 sanctions when it would have been so easy for WR to group together the infringements still sanctionable by way of a scrum and those that are to be "managed" be grouped together with a note to the effect of, "In such cases the referee should manage the above items", etc.
    Incidentally, the 2017 book goes into detail describing a PK at goal under the heading of no delay.
    It would be great if the 2019 book had sufficient detail to be able to let previous versions RIP.
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