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    Default what is a the definition of a kick in open play?

    I am trying to find the definition of a kick in open play.

    I can see that

    21.3 How the penalty and free kicks are taken
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    Any player may take a penalty or free kick awarded for an infringement with any type of kick: punt, drop kick or place kick. The ball may be kicked with any part of the lower leg from knee to the foot, excluding the knee and the heel.
    but... that is specifically in the penalty and free kicks section.



    Is there any equivalent law for kicking in open play? Or are we just supposed to assume the same is true?

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    Default Re: what is a the definition of a kick in open play?

    From the Definitions:

    Kick: A kick is made by hitting the ball with any part of the leg or foot, except the heel, from the toe to the knee but not including the knee; a kick must move the ball a visible distance out of the hand, or along the ground.
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    Default Re: what is a the definition of a kick in open play?

    If you drop the ball to kick it and you don't "kick" it then, surely, it becomes a knock-on / throw forward (define as you chose). So yes the definition matters.

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    Default Re: what is a the definition of a kick in open play?

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    Is there any equivalent law for kicking in open play? Or are we just supposed to assume the same is true?

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    I don't think so.

    I remember a discussion about it (probably on here) about what constitutes a kick in open play, why it isn't a deliberate throw forward and why it isn't a deliberate throw forward if you don't actually kick it.

    IIRC the answer was "convention", but I thought it was a bit of a silly discussion, TBH.

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    Default Re: what is a the definition of a kick in open play?

    Yup - that video is the reason I raised this question. In hindsight its probably created wto discussions on thye samne subject so it may be worh the mods combining the two threads.

    If convention is that such a "kick" is a knock-on then fine - except given Ive probably seen this tried in a game twice in my life (including this video) Im not really sure it can be a convention over something so infrequent.

    To the man on the clapham omnibus it mus be confusing as to why this may get blown as a KO.

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    Default Re: what is a the definition of a kick in open play?

    That video is play on. It is not a kick, but the ball leaves the hands backwards, so not a knock on. Same for heading the ball.

    Perfectly allowable (but mess it up, and you look like a dick)

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    Default Re: what is a the definition of a kick in open play?

    Quote Originally Posted by FlipFlop View Post
    That video is play on. It is not a kick, but the ball leaves the hands backwards, so not a knock on. Same for heading the ball.
    I'm not so sure. Definition of a knock on is:

    A knock-on occurs when a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it.
    ‘Forward’ means towards the opposing team’s dead ball line.


    Given that a heel isn't considered a kick, I think this is lost forward. I think the same would apply for a header if you did something like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1cgQPwf1ng

    But who's going to call it back for a knock on in a low league game?
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