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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    WR have announced it was a mistaken

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    Only just watched the video. How on earth could anyone claim that was clearly forward? Staggering decision and I'm surprised the referee didn't just tell him to wind his neck in!

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    See I think the pass was forward too though. His hands were level on the ball so there was no pushing the ball back with the rear hand. The ball never went back it always went forward straight from the hands. The video at the bottom of story even gives demos of forward passes ( I believe as I've not got sound on), and one of the examples given is basically what happened in the match. It went forward straight from the hand and there was no backwards movement. I get if it curved forward but started off going back, but there was none of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arabcheif View Post
    See I think the pass was forward too though. His hands were level on the ball so there was no pushing the ball back with the rear hand. The ball never went back it always went forward straight from the hands. The video at the bottom of story even gives demos of forward passes ( I believe as I've not got sound on), and one of the examples given is basically what happened in the match. It went forward straight from the hand and there was no backwards movement. I get if it curved forward but started off going back, but there was none of that.
    If you see it as the ball being in front of the hand immediately after release, then that is indeed forward pass. The crucial point is not to get the ground involved in the judgement.
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    @OB - Yeah that's how I've seen it. I feel that the ball went straight forward immediately after the release. There was no backward motion in my opinion.

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    The question really is, relative to himself, did the passer throw the ball forward, ie looking at his hands, was the movement relative to himself towards the oppo DBL or towards his own DBL. In this case it was close, but I would not have expected a call in for fp as hand movement was not c&o forward. The other point to note is that the player catching the ball was 2-3m behind where the passer had run forward to by the time the ball got to him, suggesting that there was a significant backward element in the throw of the pass. Seems MJ got that one wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post

    Its time SANZAAR stopped having hometown officials for matches. The Last two Lions home games against foreign opponents were officiated by Hometown Harries - the PK count 43-6 in favour of the home team. We need to move to having a completely neutral TO4.

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    I think the debate about the 'forward' pass suggests that it is not clear and obvious, in which case should the TMO really be getting involved or be permitted to overrule the on field officials on this? I'm not a big fan of the TMO anyway as I don't see why you focus on 2 plays before a score but not the multitude of other plays which also have an impact on the game.

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    I guess there has to be a limit to how far back you go: The last score? To the beginning of the half? To the start of the game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arabcheif View Post
    See I think the pass was forward too though. His hands were level on the ball so there was no pushing the ball back with the rear hand. The ball never went back it always went forward straight from the hands. The video at the bottom of story even gives demos of forward passes ( I believe as I've not got sound on), and one of the examples given is basically what happened in the match. It went forward straight from the hand and there was no backwards movement. I get if it curved forward but started off going back, but there was none of that.
    Completely ignore the ball travelling over the ground, it plays no part in the judgement. The ONLY thing that counts is, did the passer throw the ball forwards relative to himself. Another way of looking at it is, if the passer was standing still and passed with that hand and arm action, would the ball have gone forwards from him. Its pretty obvious that it would not have.

    As I said earlier, I think a more experienced referee with a stronger personality such as Barnesy or St Nige would have overruled him.
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    Default Re: Crusaders doing what they do best

    the other tell tale for me is to envisage what would have it looked like if the passer had continued forward unrestricted. If the passer is tackled immediately after passing it can look (incorrectly) all the world like a forward pass.
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