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    Crusaders doing what they do best. Should it really be allowed?

    Lineout:


    • Taufua goes forward and right
    • Barrett heads off forward and right
    • Blackadder fakes a jump and heads off forward and right


    All nicely in position for the catch and drive.

    And where's the ball?

    Still in Codie Taylor's hands.

    This is more than just a change of position.

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    Good innovative stuff at the lineout. I'm OK with it so long as the player who catches the ball did not jump early - if the player faking the jump is not the player who catches the ball, its immaterial IMO.
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    It is contrary to several laws. If it is not against the law why bother having the law in the first place? Then if the law is not relevant here why not get rid of some of the others that are frequently ignored, especially at the top end of the game?
    Quite often see this move being attempted and mention it in reports but there are mixed responses. My bosses agree it is against the law but seem powerless to do anything about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balones View Post
    It is contrary to several laws. If it is not against the law why bother having the law in the first place? Then if the law is not relevant here why not get rid of some of the others that are frequently ignored, especially at the top end of the game?
    Quite often see this move being attempted and mention it in reports but there are mixed responses. My bosses agree it is against the law but seem powerless to do anything about it.
    So is hands in the ruck, but we allow..

    - Scrum halves to dig for the ball
    - Players on the ground in the ruck to keep their hand on the ball after its placed back
    - Players on the ground in the ruck to hand the ball up to the scrumhalf


    There are often dozens of potential PKs in every game, but as part of game management, referees decide what is material and what is not. If referees didn't do that, if they blew the whistle every time a PK offence happened, the game would run to a standstill.
    Last edited by Ian_Cook; 19-05-19 at 11:05.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    Good innovative stuff at the lineout. I'm OK with it so long as the player who catches the ball did not jump early - if the player faking the jump is not the player who catches the ball, its immaterial IMO.
    And my first reaction is why do it then?

    It's obviously a pre-planned move, so they obviously think that they're getting an advantage by leaving the LO early.

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    Some clubs who have pre planned line out moves , often advise me of same before kick off .
    If this was worded to me , that players would leave the line out well before the ball goes in .
    I would probably advise they stay in line out , until ball is thrown in .

    May i ask , what was it they were looking to do .
    Im guessing a driving maul ,,are they near opposition try line ..

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    Default Re: Crusaders doing what they do best

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    Good innovative stuff at the lineout. I'm OK with it so long as the player who catches the ball did not jump early - if the player faking the jump is not the player who catches the ball, its immaterial IMO.
    It's often done to draw an early jump from a player from the other team. So Blue 5 jumps Red 5 follows as Red 5 is landing THe ball is thrown to Blue 5 who has an advantage. I woud argue that any fake jump is done mislead an opponant, It would therefore be material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    So is hands in the ruck, but we allow..

    - Scrum halves to dig for the ball
    - Players on the ground in the ruck to keep their hand on the ball after its placed back
    - Players on the ground in the ruck to hand the ball up to the scrumhalf


    There are often dozens of potential PKs in every game, but as part of game management, referees decide what is material and what is not. If referees didn't do that, if they blew the whistle every time a PK offence happened, the game would run to a standstill.
    We are in agreement. I just think that we should get rid of the laws that appear to now be redundant. The law book would be even smaller then. I find it frustrating that if I didn’t point out in a report things that the referee ‘allowed’ or ‘missed’ I am the one that would get picked up on it and not the referee.

    Usually in the scenario shown in the original post about half a dozen laws are being ignored.
    Last edited by Balones; 19-05-19 at 15:05.

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    [cynic mode]Perhaps the laws should be printed in different colours to indicate which are to be applied and which can be ignored. With a third colour for special cases, such as scrum halves.[/cynic mode]
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    Default Re: Crusaders doing what they do best

    Those to be ignored could be printed in white

    Although personally I’d prefer to see a lot of them enforced (feeding, off-feet being particular favourites)

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