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    Default WR: Decision-making framework for high tackles

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dMSSNNeoHs

    A dispatch from the powers that be - distinguishing (and defining) the difference between shoulder charge and high tackle, and the consequences/expected sanctions associated.

    Shoulder charge:
    No head contact - YC if dangerous, penalty if not
    Head contact - RC

    Can be mitigated by C&O factors, like the BC dropping or the offender losing line of sight

    High Tackle:
    Tackler directly contacts BC head with shoulder/head - RC if dangerous, YC if not
    Tackler directly contacts BC head with arm/elbow - RC if dangerous, YC if not
    Tackler indirectly contacts head - YC if dangerous, penalty if not

    No head contact (e.g. seatbelt tackle) - penalty

    Again, can be aggravated or mitigated by C&O factors, like the cynical play, BC dropping into contact, or the offender losing line of sight.

    Notes:
    The controversial Owen Farrell charge/tackle from SA is used as the example of a dangerous shoulder charge, deserving a yellow card
    About 5:25, a non-completed high tackle is described as dangerous because the tackle is completed
    I'm not sure why they differentiate which body part the tackler makes contact with for high tackle, it makes no difference
    I really don't think this will clarify things for most people...

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    Default Re: WR: Decision-making framework for high tackles

    https://i.imgur.com/bcbNdzQ.jpg

    The flowchart in full.

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    Default Re: WR: Decision-making framework for high tackles

    So here is the video...


    And here is the flowchart...
    HT flowchart.jpg

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    Default Re: WR: Decision-making framework for high tackles

    Tackle made, ball passed away, you have a split second to work your way through that flowchart before the next tackle

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    Default Re: WR: Decision-making framework for high tackles

    In terms of outcomes and guidance has anything actually changed? Or is it just formalising in one place the guidance we've had and seen for the last year or so, eg direct contact with head, with force, off you go

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    Default Re: WR: Decision-making framework for high tackles

    Quote Originally Posted by Flish View Post
    In terms of outcomes and guidance has anything actually changed? Or is it just formalising in one place the guidance we've had and seen for the last year or so, eg direct contact with head, with force, off you go
    Watching the video, if it is followed religiously, I can see a LOT more cards.

    Penalty only for:
    seatbelt tackle (no contact with the head or neck),
    and low tackle that rides up (no contact with the head or neck).

    All other high tackles start with a card.

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    Default Re: WR: Decision-making framework for high tackles

    Quote Originally Posted by Flish View Post
    In terms of outcomes and guidance has anything actually changed? Or is it just formalising in one place the guidance we've had and seen for the last year or so, eg direct contact with head, with force, off you go
    I was thinking the same thing. Nothing has changed, just a fancy new chart.

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    Default Re: WR: Decision-making framework for high tackles

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    Watching the video, if it is followed religiously, I can see a LOT more cards.

    Penalty only for:
    seatbelt tackle (no contact with the head or neck),
    and low tackle that rides up (no contact with the head or neck).

    All other high tackles start with a card.
    *If* being the key. I don’t see much changing for me in grass roots land with one view from whatever angle I end up at, I have to be sure with any sanction, so suspect I’ll still ’know It’ if it’s red. In TMO land I could imagine the dialogue changing to walk through this, and yes, maybe more cards.

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    Default Re: WR: Decision-making framework for high tackles

    A dangerous/reckless ride-up high tackle is now YC, where it would have been red (according to the Jan '17 directive, rather than practice). At the time of the Farrell tackle, Angus Gardner said most refs he'd spoken with thought it was a penalty and not a YC. I don't think the example from the women's game would be consistently reffed.

    Other than that, it's mostly formalizing common sense and explaining mitigating/aggravating factors concretely, so it should help with top-level consistency and give grassroots refs a method to think about and defend decisions.

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    Default Re: WR: Decision-making framework for high tackles

    Well that seems to be a well thought out presentation. I guess dominant tacklers will not like it! Still not sure where your arm should be for a proper tackle, in front or behind your shoulder?
    Ciaran Trainor

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