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    Default Re: Why no red card?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blindside View Post
    My argument is that IMO there was an attempt at a fair challenge,
    In which case not even a YC was deserved!

    Gracie has this spot on - the law is clear enough (for once).

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    Default Re: Why no red card?

    https://twitter.com/PremierSportsTV/...65323074711553

    It's red for me.
    No realistic chance for the ball - he's right underneath Hogg.
    Hogg lands with shoulder and head simultaneously.
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    Default Re: Why no red card?

    An attempt at a fair challenge isn't good enough. The player must put himself in a position to legitimately contest the ball. An attempt that puts the player under the catcher and tips him over is dangerous play.

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    Default Re: Why no red card?

    For me it was a RC ..

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    Default Re: Why no red card?

    Quote Originally Posted by buff View Post
    An attempt at a fair challenge isn't good enough. The player must put himself in a position to legitimately contest the ball. An attempt that puts the player under the catcher and tips him over is dangerous play.

    This is true....... the point is this can be totally unintentional and not knowingly reckless. So a player can feel he is going to put himself in a position to legitimately win the ball, not only contest the ball could get sent off, or indeed seriously harm an opponent. The laws of the game cannot protect the player adequately because a player doing everything in his power to contest within the rules fails to secure possession. There may well be a extremely serious incident that changes the laws of the game.

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    Default Re: Why no red card?

    For those suggesting a Red Card I would be interested in knowing what Law reference you cite to support your decision.
    And for those saying eyes on the ball is irrelevant, I say
    9.4. A player must not intentionally prevent an opponent from having the opportunity to play the ball, other than by competing for possession.
    RK was competing for the ball.
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    Default Re: Why no red card?

    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    For those suggesting a Red Card I would be interested in knowing what Law reference you cite to support your decision.
    And for those saying eyes on the ball is irrelevant, I say
    9.4. A player must not intentionally prevent an opponent from having the opportunity to play the ball, other than by competing for possession.
    RK was competing for the ball.


    The law and guidance references are in my earlier comment (No 6), whether Carney was competing or not is, as so often, a subjective call, but NO clearly thought he was not competing fairly because otherwise, under the law and guidance notes referenced, there would have been no YC. Add that to NO's comment that he believed Hogg landed on his shoulder, which according to the law and guidance equates to a RC and you have my thinking. I'm not sure what the obstuction law (9.4) connection is in this scenario.

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    Default Re: Why no red card?

    Play on – Fair challenge with both players in a realistic position to catch the ball. Even if the player(s) land(s) dangerously, play on
    Penalty only – Fair challenge with wrong timing - No pulling down
    Yellow card – Not a fair challenge, there is no contest and the player is pulled down landing on his back or side
    Red card – Not a fair challenge, there is no contest and the player lands on his head, neck or shoulder


    NO says yellow, so clearly not a fair challenge or viable contest.
    Have a look at Hogg's head - simultaneously makes contact with the ground as his shoulder. Head impact? Red.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gracie View Post
    The law and guidance references are in my earlier comment (No 6), ... I'm not sure what the obstuction law (9.4) connection is in this scenario.
    Your post #6 says 10.4; the Foul play law has been renumbered to Law 9. As you say 9.4 has nothing to do with it. I am no longer disputing your reasoning, merely trying to find a Law reference to support it.

    10.4 a, b and c
    An offside player may be penalised, if that player:

    Interferes with play; or

    Moves forwards towards the ball; or
    Was in front of a team-mate who kicked the ball and fails to retire immediately behind an onside team-mate or an imaginary line across the field 10 metres on that player’s side from where the ball is caught or lands, even if it hits a goal post or crossbar first. If this involves more than one player, then the player closest to where the ball lands or is caught is the one penalised. This is known as the 10-metre law and still applies if the ball touches or is played by an opponent but not when the kick is charged down.
    Sanction: The non-offending team can choose either:
    Penalty at the place of infringement; or
    Scrum where the offending team last played the ball.
    Last edited by L'irlandais; 28-05-19 at 07:05.
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    Default Re: Why no red card?

    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    https://twitter.com/PremierSportsTV/...65323074711553

    It's red for me.
    No realistic chance for the ball - he's right underneath Hogg.
    Hogg lands with shoulder and head simultaneously.
    thanks for posting the video. And I agree with RC
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